Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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jennyjj01
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Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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I'm prompted by recent talk about 72 hour rations and about buying MRE's, to describe ( again ) how I decided how to build my food reserves.

I'm not giving an actual list but rather, I'm describing my thought process. My premise was to assemble several months worth of varied long life foods that can get rotated into normal diet.... Cheaply.

There is an approach that says "Store what you eat and eat what you store". I only partly subscribe to that. That's all about rotating your stockpile into your regular diet. It ignores certain compromises.

When I started to build my stock of mostly food, I went for max bang for my buck and based it on a few realities:-
  • We need about 2,000 calories per person per day
  • Everything needs long shelf life.
  • We need to be self sufficient in water, which is potentially bulky
  • We need MANY gestures towards normality in our diet. And treats.
  • We need to be rotating what we stock into our staple diet and that might mean changing our staple diet.
  • Some compromises will be needed. E.g. we might not be able to stock a years worth of fresh eggs or milk.
So, a spreadsheet was born. It was filled with data on Calories per Kilogram and price per Kilogram, Thus I was able to compare those two qualities for any stockpile candidates. E.g. rice vs pasta as candidates. or in terms of cost,/kg spam vs sardines. E.g. Rice 3300kCal/Kilo : 52p/Kilo, Pasta 3700kCal/Kilo : £1.25/Kilo . Straight away you can see how rice is cheaper than pasta. For meats and fish, I concentrated on £/Kilo, aspiring to pay between £5 and £10 per kilo. That was handy when comparing tiny tins of sardines with big tins of luncheon meat or similar. Look out for price/kilo or price/100g on supermarket shelf labels.

Step 1: White calories. This is the foundation layer.
Base level for calorie contribution towards 2000kCal/person/day, which ultimately comprised:-
  • Dried pasta
  • Rice
  • Dried mashed potatoes
  • Cooking oil
  • Flour
  • Oats
  • White Sugar
Any other foodstuff that was calorie rich was a bonus. Just decide how many portions of each you prefer and then seek acceptable priced products and get them bought. If you buy flour, be sure to learn how to use it to make something edible.

Step 2: Flavour.
Now, you would soon want to kill yourself if that was all you had, so next came 'Flavour'. The Flavour that turned rice or spuds or pasta into a meal. I looked at what was simple, normal fare for the purpose and a few candidates leapt out:-
  • Tomatoes, tinned, pureed, jarred.
  • Cooking sauces such as sweet and sour, bolognese, curry. (Note often tomato based)
  • Baked beans and to a lesser extent tinned spaghetti. (Yes. more tomatoes).
  • Tinned meat in gravy
  • Herbs and spices
  • LOTS of dried Onions and garlic
  • Stock cubes and sachets.
Now we are getting somewhere We can mix one of our white calorie sources with some sort of flavour and make a slightly different filling meal

Step 3: Normalcy
For morale and some normality. Light meals that are familiar fare to your family. Zombie apocalypse will be miserable if we start to argue with picky eaters. Think student or pauper food. Something you can say is one light lunch per day. We are aiming for normality here. Not kCalories or price
Candidates mostly came as cans that could be eaten as-is.
  • Chunky soups of every flavour
  • Tinned breakfasts etc
  • Rice Pudding
  • Chocolate
  • Tea
  • Coffee
  • Beer
  • Wine
  • and dare I say it, pot noodles.
Just buy some. As much variety as you can
For tea or coffee or alcohol . Stockpiling these is a no-brainer. Easy to estimate how many portions you need. : Estimate the quantity, shop around and stock up. Compromise for convenience by buying the best instant coffee rather than fresh ground. If you take milk, find good powdered milk and stock enough. I found a few good brands and stocked that. If you like alcohol. Stock some. If you don't, then still stock some..

Step 4: Meat and protein.
  • Peanut Butter
  • Tinned Fish
  • Bacon Grill
  • Minced Beef in Gravy
]We need some protein and this one was to be expensive, But work towards a small portion per person per day. That can be a small tin of sardines or half a small tin of spam. Maybe tinned luncheon meat or corned beet. Estimate how many tins you will need for your X days and buy a selection. Assuming no fresh meat available, be prepared to stock 'Bacon grill' or corned beef, even if you don't normally eat such rubbish. Personally, I rediscovered tinned fish in it's many guises. Sample what you are buying. some tinned meat is rubbish. Pay attention to price per kilo when trying to get maximum value. Some tins of meat are tiny for what you pay. If you normally pay £10 per kilo of your favourite fresh meat, then maybe let that be your benchmark for tinned meat. And I include in meat, some rubbish like hot dog sausages. The ultimate compromise, but OK with ketchup and mustard.

Many preppers store lots and lots of dried pulses, chickpeas, lentils etc. I do too, BUT. you need to know how to cook and use them. Find out and try some recipes before going nuts on pulses. Similar with flour. If you stock it, use it. Consider meat substitutes like soya mince or jackfruit.

OK. time to mention
Step 0: Water
This is a tricky topic in that we are so used to having fresh drinking water on tap 24/7. We have to envisage that suddenly going offline...... And in the blink of an eye, all that dried pasta, mash and rice is just dust. But face it, we might have a years supply of food, but who can realistically store away a years worth of water: Can't be done. But we are preppers and we live in rainy Britain. My approach, and yours might differ, is to take a graded approach: Store enough fresh bottled water for a few weeks while you regroup. Say 50L per person if you have the space. That will get you over a brief outage and buffer you in case of zombie apocalypse. Store some impure water, such as water butts collecting from the roof. Even a garden fishpond or hot tub. Meanwhile, consider how and where you might harvest long term water and make it safe. Expect zombie apocalypse to happen in the middle of a heatwave, but stock three essentials: Personal water straws: A load of water purifying tablets and a means of getting impure water to your home. That may be as simple as a few collapsible 5L water bottles from poundland.

Taking water as a done deal, for now, onto
Step 5.vegetables and vitamins
So far, we have looked at minimal survival food. But we would soon be ill without vegetables and fruits and here we need to compromise.
A few dozen tins of peas, green beans, sweetcorn, etc can give you survival levels of fibre and vitamins. If you are used to lots of lovely fresh salads, then brace yourself for desperate times! Buy a few dozen tins of the best variety you can afford. Include tinned fruits, again with variety. Might as well get them in syrup to maximise calories too. And while you are in the tinned food isle, get some custard, riced pudding etc too.
But these are dietary rubbish, so, get a generous supply of multi-vitamins.

Tinned food is expensive and mostly water. This is where a dehydrator comes in. In my opinion a primary investment. You can dehydrate a 40p Kilo of fresh carrots into a small jam jar and set that aside for years. Buy yellow sticker peppers, tomatoes, fresh veg of most sorts and dehydrate to minimise volume and maximise shelf life. A shelf of jars of dried veg is priceless. But then, you need to adopt them into daily diet.

Oh. Speaking of regular diet..... I never mentioned the so called MRE ready meals, so beloved of survivalists. Very much overpriced. If you can't find better and cheaper equivalents in Tesco, then you haven't looked in all the isles.

Nor did I mention freezers and frozen food. By all means stock up your freezers. but anticipate the risk of power outages.

Above, I've laid the foundation to the making of a food list, I might post my list later if anyone's interested.
When that is in place, just augment it. Add a few jars of jam. Beer kits, Tins of pop, Trifle kits, sachets of casserole mix, whatever takes your fancy. Work towards your stockpile being the place you go to do your weekly shopping, and your regular weekly shopping becomes about replenishing your 'shop'

I hope this post helps in some way.

* Use the Calorie values on the packets or web sites to determine kCal/Kilo. But that can be tricky for dried goods.. Use the price/Kilo from the shelf labels in supermarkets but beware some are £/Kilo and some are £/100g
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timmyt79
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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One thing you might also consider adding, if you haven’t already, is a simple rotation calendar or visual system to make it easier to track expiry dates at a glance. That could help prevent waste and ensure you’re rotating stock efficiently, especially for the foods your family doesn’t consume regularly
Frnc
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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I have the corner base unit, so it's twice as wide as a normal unit, but a bit hard to reach. In theory, new food that's prep related goes to the back of the bottom shelf. Thing I need to use, or intend to use, go to the front of the top shelf. Everything on the bottom shelf should have at least a year or two on the date. About twice a year I pull everything out, roughly in order, and check the dates. There are a few exceptions, eg I keep cereal at the front of the bottom shelf because it won't fit on the top. If I buy a tin of mushy peas, it goes to the front of the top shelf, because it's getting eaten in a week or two, and I don't store it as prep.

Mainly I store pasta, tuna, tomato puree. Because they all store well, make a complete meal, and don' t need much cooking. You can cook pasta with just boiled water and soak it. Although I have stopped doing that day to day.

I also have some dried falafel powder as it's got protein. I did have dried egg and dried milk, but it expired and I've not got any more yet. Put that on my to do list. I also have tinned butter beans.

I do keep gravy granules and parsley sauce in the prep room, but I don't really see them as prep foods. I went through the dates on those recently.
jennyjj01
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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timmyt79 wrote: Thu Apr 24, 2025 4:46 pm One thing you might also consider adding, if you haven’t already, is a simple rotation calendar or visual system to make it easier to track expiry dates at a glance. That could help prevent waste and ensure you’re rotating stock efficiently, especially for the foods your family doesn’t consume regularly
Stock rotation is hard since we constantly need to move newest stuff 'to the back'. I help make life easier by writing BBE date year and month in bold marker pen on tin tops.
A bit like member FRNC, I move stuff around a few times a year.
It's possible to make mechanical stock rotation with things like top-in bottom outcan stacks in pieces of downspout or custom made racks.
But I just use big boxes :o)
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Frnc
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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Just had Koka noodles. I forgot about them. I buy them in boxes of 30, so they are a pretty good prep food. Only about 50p each, minimal cooking. I simmer for a couple of minutes. Quite high calories compared to my normal lunches. But my tea tonight is low calorie. The box is very long so I keep them in my bedroom on the shelves.
mcprepper
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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Frnc wrote: Fri Apr 25, 2025 11:21 am Just had Koka noodles. I forgot about them. I buy them in boxes of 30, so they are a pretty good prep food. Only about 50p each, minimal cooking. I simmer for a couple of minutes. Quite high calories compared to my normal lunches. But my tea tonight is low calorie. The box is very long so I keep them in my bedroom on the shelves.
I love the idea of you keeping your long box of koka noodles in the bedroom… in the zombie apocalypse someone might break in and steal your food but they won’t be getting their mitts on your koka noodles!!
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Frnc
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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mcprepper wrote: Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:28 pm
Frnc wrote: Fri Apr 25, 2025 11:21 am Just had Koka noodles. I forgot about them. I buy them in boxes of 30, so they are a pretty good prep food. Only about 50p each, minimal cooking. I simmer for a couple of minutes. Quite high calories compared to my normal lunches. But my tea tonight is low calorie. The box is very long so I keep them in my bedroom on the shelves.
I love the idea of you keeping your long box of koka noodles in the bedroom… in the zombie apocalypse someone might break in and steal your food but they won’t be getting their mitts on your koka noodles!!
Yeah. I have water in here, and gas stoves in the spare room. I have a cooking pot in my BOB. So I got everything to make noodles up here. Lock on my door to keep zombies out. I can escape out the window if needed, I have a ladder and bugout bag.
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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Frnc wrote: Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:42 pm
mcprepper wrote: Sat Apr 26, 2025 3:28 pm
Frnc wrote: Fri Apr 25, 2025 11:21 am Just had Koka noodles. I forgot about them. I buy them in boxes of 30, so they are a pretty good prep food. Only about 50p each, minimal cooking. I simmer for a couple of minutes. Quite high calories compared to my normal lunches. But my tea tonight is low calorie. The box is very long so I keep them in my bedroom on the shelves.
I love the idea of you keeping your long box of koka noodles in the bedroom… in the zombie apocalypse someone might break in and steal your food but they won’t be getting their mitts on your koka noodles!!
Yeah. I have water in here, and gas stoves in the spare room. I have a cooking pot in my BOB. So I got everything to make noodles up here. Lock on my door to keep zombies out. I can escape out the window if needed, I have a ladder and bugout bag.
Love it! :lol:
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Omega
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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Have you thought what emergency you are preparing? Because various emergencies create additional restrictions
For example, if you are prepping for something similar to Covid, then this list will work no problem
However, if you are prepping for a nuclear strike, then you may have problems with cooking - we do not have enough bunkers in the UK, so most of the population will stay in their houses sealing doors and windows. And not all stoves are safe in such confined spaces
And the water might be limited, so dehydrated food is good, but hydrated food means you need to store less water
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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By the way - I simply asked AI how much food it is reasonable to store in the UK. And it suggested me 3 months. This is the amount modern Mormons should store at home too - it was 2 years worth of food in the past, but gradually reduced to this amount
I would think then 3 months is way too much for the vast majority of emergencies