Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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jennyjj01
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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Omega wrote: ↑Fri May 09, 2025 6:11 pm ...I simply asked AI how much food it is reasonable to store in the UK. And it suggested me 3 months.
:D
I just asked ChatGPT. The conversation and conclusion was pretty thoughtful, so here it is...
Me asking ChatGPT wrote:how much food it is reasonable to store, at home, in the UK.
ChatGPT wrote:In the UK, a reasonable amount of food to store at home depends on your goals (e.g. everyday convenience vs. emergency preparedness), available space, and household size. Here’s a general guideline:

πŸ”Ή Everyday Living (Standard Pantry Stock)
For a typical UK household (2–4 people), keeping 1–2 weeks of food is considered reasonable for convenience and cost-effectiveness. This would typically include:

Cupboard staples (dry pasta, rice, tinned vegetables, beans, etc.)
Frozen food (meat, bread, vegetables)
Long-life items (UHT milk, instant noodles, cereal)
Snacks and treats (biscuits, crisps, etc.)
Basic baking ingredients (flour, sugar, oil)

🟒 This helps reduce frequent shopping trips and smooths over minor disruptions (like illness or transport strikes).

πŸ”Ή Emergency Preparedness
The UK government and organisations like the British Red Cross recommend having at least 3 days' worth of food and water in case of emergencies (e.g. severe weather, power cuts).

For more robust resilience (common in rural or isolated areas), 1–2 weeks of emergency supplies is often suggested:

Ready-to-eat tinned food
High-energy snacks
Water (2–3 litres per person per day)
Manual tin opener, portable stove if possible
🟑 People who are more cautious (or prepping for longer-term disruptions like pandemics or supply chain breakdowns) might keep 1–3 months’ worth, rotating items regularly to prevent waste.

Final Thought
You don’t need to overdo it or create a bunker. A modest, well-rotated store of 2 weeks’ food strikes a good balance between readiness and practicality for most UK households.

Would you like a checklist for a 2-week home food store?
me to ChatGPT wrote:Yes, please.
ChatGPT wrote:Here's a practical 2-week food storage checklist for a typical UK household of 2–4 people. It's designed to be shelf-stable, nutritionally balanced, and easy to rotate into everyday meals.

βœ… 2-Week Home Food Store Checklist (Non-Refrigerated & Long Life)
πŸ₯« Tinned & Jarred Goods
8–10 tins of beans (baked, kidney, chickpeas, etc.)
6–8 tins of vegetables (sweetcorn, carrots, peas)
4–6 tins of fruit (in juice or water)
6–8 tins of meat/fish (tuna, salmon, chicken, corned beef, ham)
4–6 tins of soup or stews
2–4 jars of pasta or curry sauce
1–2 jars of peanut butter, jam, or honey
🍝 Dry Staples
2–3 kg of rice
2–3 kg of pasta or noodles
1 kg of couscous, lentils or pearl barley
1 kg of porridge oats
2–3 loaves of long-life bread or crispbread (or flour & yeast to make your own)
πŸ§‚ Baking & Basics
1 kg plain flour
1 kg sugar
1 bottle of vegetable or olive oil
Baking powder or yeast
Salt, pepper, and other key spices/herbs
Stock cubes or bouillon
πŸ§ƒ Drinks
12–16 litres of bottled water (2–3L per person per day)
Tea/coffee
Long-life milk or milk powder
Juice (UHT or powdered)
🍫 Snacks & Comfort Foods
Biscuits
Chocolate or cereal bars
Crisps, nuts, or dried fruit
Instant custard or rice pudding
🍲 Instant & Convenience Foods
4–6 packets of instant noodles or pasta meals
2–4 instant mash or rice packets
1–2 packs of dried soup or cup-a-soup
1–2 meal kits (taco kits, etc.)
🧴 Other Essentials
Manual can opener
Foil, cling film, and food storage bags
Vitamins (especially Vitamin D in winter)
Pet food (if applicable)
Baby food/formula (if applicable)
πŸ’‘ Tips:

Choose items you already eat β€” rotate and replace to avoid waste.
Supplement with fresh food when available.
Store in cool, dark places and label with best-before dates.
Would you like this list as a printable PDF or spreadsheet?
ChatGPT is pretty cool and if it ever joins here, could be very handy.
Graceful Degradation! Prepping's objective summed up in two words. Turning Disaster into Mild Inconvenience by the power of fore-thought

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Frnc
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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jennyjj01 wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 12:37 pm
Omega wrote: ↑Fri May 09, 2025 6:11 pm ...I simply asked AI how much food it is reasonable to store in the UK. And it suggested me 3 months.
:D
I just asked ChatGPT. The conversation and conclusion was pretty thoughtful, so here it is...
Me asking ChatGPT wrote:how much food it is reasonable to store, at home, in the UK.
ChatGPT wrote:In the UK, a reasonable amount of food to store at home depends on your goals (e.g. everyday convenience vs. emergency preparedness), available space, and household size. Here’s a general guideline:

πŸ”Ή Everyday Living (Standard Pantry Stock)
For a typical UK household (2–4 people), keeping 1–2 weeks of food is considered reasonable for convenience and cost-effectiveness. This would typically include:

Cupboard staples (dry pasta, rice, tinned vegetables, beans, etc.)
Frozen food (meat, bread, vegetables)
Long-life items (UHT milk, instant noodles, cereal)
Snacks and treats (biscuits, crisps, etc.)
Basic baking ingredients (flour, sugar, oil)

🟒 This helps reduce frequent shopping trips and smooths over minor disruptions (like illness or transport strikes).

πŸ”Ή Emergency Preparedness
The UK government and organisations like the British Red Cross recommend having at least 3 days' worth of food and water in case of emergencies (e.g. severe weather, power cuts).

For more robust resilience (common in rural or isolated areas), 1–2 weeks of emergency supplies is often suggested:

Ready-to-eat tinned food
High-energy snacks
Water (2–3 litres per person per day)
Manual tin opener, portable stove if possible
🟑 People who are more cautious (or prepping for longer-term disruptions like pandemics or supply chain breakdowns) might keep 1–3 months’ worth, rotating items regularly to prevent waste.

Final Thought
You don’t need to overdo it or create a bunker. A modest, well-rotated store of 2 weeks’ food strikes a good balance between readiness and practicality for most UK households.

Would you like a checklist for a 2-week home food store?
me to ChatGPT wrote:Yes, please.
ChatGPT wrote:Here's a practical 2-week food storage checklist for a typical UK household of 2–4 people. It's designed to be shelf-stable, nutritionally balanced, and easy to rotate into everyday meals.

βœ… 2-Week Home Food Store Checklist (Non-Refrigerated & Long Life)
πŸ₯« Tinned & Jarred Goods
8–10 tins of beans (baked, kidney, chickpeas, etc.)
6–8 tins of vegetables (sweetcorn, carrots, peas)
4–6 tins of fruit (in juice or water)
6–8 tins of meat/fish (tuna, salmon, chicken, corned beef, ham)
4–6 tins of soup or stews
2–4 jars of pasta or curry sauce
1–2 jars of peanut butter, jam, or honey
🍝 Dry Staples
2–3 kg of rice
2–3 kg of pasta or noodles
1 kg of couscous, lentils or pearl barley
1 kg of porridge oats
2–3 loaves of long-life bread or crispbread (or flour & yeast to make your own)
πŸ§‚ Baking & Basics
1 kg plain flour
1 kg sugar
1 bottle of vegetable or olive oil
Baking powder or yeast
Salt, pepper, and other key spices/herbs
Stock cubes or bouillon
πŸ§ƒ Drinks
12–16 litres of bottled water (2–3L per person per day)
Tea/coffee
Long-life milk or milk powder
Juice (UHT or powdered)
🍫 Snacks & Comfort Foods
Biscuits
Chocolate or cereal bars
Crisps, nuts, or dried fruit
Instant custard or rice pudding
🍲 Instant & Convenience Foods
4–6 packets of instant noodles or pasta meals
2–4 instant mash or rice packets
1–2 packs of dried soup or cup-a-soup
1–2 meal kits (taco kits, etc.)
🧴 Other Essentials
Manual can opener
Foil, cling film, and food storage bags
Vitamins (especially Vitamin D in winter)
Pet food (if applicable)
Baby food/formula (if applicable)
πŸ’‘ Tips:

Choose items you already eat β€” rotate and replace to avoid waste.
Supplement with fresh food when available.
Store in cool, dark places and label with best-before dates.
Would you like this list as a printable PDF or spreadsheet?
ChatGPT is pretty cool and if it ever joins here, could be very handy.
Hmm... I wonder if there's a way of getting it to join, that would be cool. I talked to it the other day, asked it a question. I told it, "I think you got that wrong, because...."

Replied to me, "you are right", and went into detail about why. The reason it was wrong to start with, is because what we were talking about works in 2 directions, and it only talked about one, but in the context, the other direction was dominant. So, not infallible, but very clever. Subject was a geology topic, solubility of CO2 in the oceans during hothouse climates.

Don't give AI your real name. Mine is in my main email. So if I want to sign up and log in, I'll probably create a dedicated anonymous email address. It's worth doing if you use it a lot, as it will store your conversations, and you can presumably go back and ask follow up questions. Which is pretty mind blowing. Bearing in mind millions of people are asking it stuff.
jennyjj01
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Re: Deciding what foods to store in what quantities

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Frnc wrote: ↑Sat May 10, 2025 2:00 pm I told it, "I think you got that wrong, because...."

Replied to me, "you are right", and went into detail about why.
I've asked it a few technically simple questions and had some answers that were wrong beyond belief. So take anything it says with a pinch of salt.

E.g. I asked it for a list of 100 randomly selected five letter words, each with exactly one vowel and four consonants, to be used as the basis of a list of passwords. It took several attempts to get close to what I asked for.
It's particularly good at writing VBA functions, such as a function to give a representation of shuffling a standard deck of cards. It produced elegant and commented code.

I've recently seen so called 'news' article websites discussing trump's latest tariffs, where they thought Rishi Sunak was still PM and Badenoch was Trade Secretary, conflating recent and historic events.
Graceful Degradation! Prepping's objective summed up in two words. Turning Disaster into Mild Inconvenience by the power of fore-thought

Not Feeling Optimistic. Let me be wrong