Knots and Ropes

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Frnc
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Forecast is 31/17 on Tuesday. I was borderline too warm yesterday evening, so I took the cover off my autumn/spring duvet, to use on its own, but was ok with my Tog 1. I'll probably need the empty cover in a few days, anyway.

Going to be a bit skint, with lodgers going. Went through my Amazon saved items and deleted almost everything, even smoke alarms. The oldest ones I have are 8 years old, but I have about 13 alarms in the house, and some are fairly new. All the batteries were changed 2 years ago.

Learned a new knot. Pretty basic. I do have a note for this, so I've learned it in the past and forgot it. There are several variations. Wiki says this one is the most secure, but could be hard to undo after loading. It's a sliding knot to tighten a rope eg guy rope, tarp etc.

MIDSHIPMAN' HITCH

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Pass the working end around the anchor object. Bring it back alongside of the standing part and make a half-hitch around the standing part.
Continue by passing the working end over the working part, around the standing part again and back through the loop formed in the first step. Make sure this second wrap tucks in between the first wrap and the working part of the line on the inside of the loop. This detail gives this version its additional security.
Complete with a half-hitch outside the loop, made in the same direction as the first two wraps, as for a clove hitch.
Dress by snugging the hitch firmly around the standing part. Load slowly and adjust as necessary.
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NB. The above in wiki is under Taut-line Hitch, which is a variation where the second loop is on the outside, above the first, different to the bit in italics above.
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Knots - I have a blind spot, but Frnc, good for you for sticking with it.
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Frnc if you like knots the can recommend this site https://www.animatedknots.com/constrict ... ing-method

Leaning knots is my winter hobby. Sit in front of the log burner, in the evening, with a bit of rope and a beer...
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Arzosah wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 8:11 am Knots - I have a blind spot, but Frnc, good for you for sticking with it.
I don't know many. Need to practice more. I did practice Alpine butterfly the other day, which is easy, and is a much more secure way of joining two ropes than a reef knot. https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/alp ... erfly-bend
Frnc
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GeraldTheBonzai wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 8:56 am Frnc if you like knots the can recommend this site https://www.animatedknots.com/constrict ... ing-method

Leaning knots is my winter hobby. Sit in front of the log burner, in the evening, with a bit of rope and a beer...
Not seen this site before, will have a look, and do some practice.
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Frnc wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 1:04 pm
Arzosah wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 8:11 am Knots - I have a blind spot, but Frnc, good for you for sticking with it.
I don't know many. Need to practice more. I did practice Alpine butterfly the other day, which is easy, and is a much more secure way of joining two ropes than a reef knot. https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/alp ... erfly-bend
The best most secure knot for joining two ropes is the “double fisherman” its the one recommended for making slings for
rock climbing 🧗‍♀️ It’s tidier than the butterfly. but can be difficult to undo, However any knot reduces the ropes breaking strength by half.

Personally I don’t think there are many knots we need to know as some seem to be for rather obscure situations.

Most useful.... Bowline, Clove hitch, wagoners hitch, double fisherman, round turn and two half hitches,
Frnc
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Peter wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 9:10 pm
Frnc wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 1:04 pm
Arzosah wrote: Sun Aug 10, 2025 8:11 am Knots - I have a blind spot, but Frnc, good for you for sticking with it.
I don't know many. Need to practice more. I did practice Alpine butterfly the other day, which is easy, and is a much more secure way of joining two ropes than a reef knot. https://www.netknots.com/rope_knots/alp ... erfly-bend
The best most secure knot for joining two ropes is the “double fisherman” its the one recommended for making slings for
rock climbing 🧗‍♀️ It’s tidier than the butterfly. but can be difficult to undo, However any knot reduces the ropes breaking strength by half.

Personally I don’t think there are many knots we need to know as some seem to be for rather obscure situations.

Most useful.... Bowline, Clove hitch, wagoners hitch, double fisherman, round turn and two half hitches,
I used to climb. Bowline is easy to do one handed if you are tying directly into a harness. Can't remember what I used to make slings, don't think it was a fisherman's. Most were bought ready made anyway. Figure of 8 is used a lot, eg if clipping into a carabiner. I just used figure of 8 on a bight, as it's very quick, then maybe a couple of half hitches.
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Figure of 8 on a bight.

Easiest secure knot to make a loop, eg to clip a rope in a karabiner.

Make sure ropes are neat and parallel, not crossed over each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8jRok7Kofw
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You can join two ropes using a single figure of eight at the end of a rope, and then thread the other end, or another rope, around it, but it's a bit fiddly. Good when done, though.

Knots to securely tie two ropes together are called bends.

I like the Alpine Butterfly, shown above, I think.
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eight climbing knots

water knot is a new one to me, very easy, to join two ropes. NB tying an overhand knot in two ropes at the same time is not the same, not correct.
https://www.climbing.com/skills/essenti ... lete-guide

Personally to tie into a harness I used a one handed bowline. The threaded back fig 8 they show first is fiddly and time consuming, but better, I suppose. I always backed it up with two overhand knots.