Do we store enough Protein?

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Arzosah wrote: Sun Feb 15, 2026 10:42 am To my mind, though, all of it's a waste of effort, money and environmental impact without rotation, even once a year would be enough.
I mostly, but not totally agree.
Hence my constantly aspiring to modify our regular diet. But rotation isn't easy where reserves are primarily long life foods that don't dovetail with accepted regular diet. I wouldn't be without my NIDO milk stash, for example. But using that in place of fresh milk is an expense in itself. The cheap stash of hot dog sausages* bulks out our protein reserves to give us quantity held at the expense of quality.

Imagine if you had a serious stash of military MRE's and tried to rotate them into daily diet. I can't see that working, or being nice.

Things in reserves, seldom used: Powdered milk: Corned Beef: Tinned Soup.

Some, I just write off as an 'insurance'

There's probably some equation or formula for getting max VFM out of such insurance, but it could be tricky maths. Thinking out loud....

I think I have the makings of a formula..

Entering Nerd Mode ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

If shelf Life=L (in weeks)
And units Acceptable in a week of regular diet=A units per week
then max practical Holding to never have wastage=H units = LxA,
H=LxA
Now if post apocalypse units Consumed per week=C units
then your Survival reserve (S) would last you max of S=H/C weeks
S=H/C
S=(LxA)/C=LA/C

Worked example for NIDO Milk shelf life of a year
L=52 weeks
Tubs per week that you can sneak into regular diet A=1
A=1
You can Hold
H=LxA=52x1=52 Tubs
Tubs per week that you would use post apocalypse C=4
C=4
Therefore
Your survival reserve of NIDO would last
S=H/C=52/4=13 Weeks


Worked example for Military MREs shelf life of 20 years
L=1040 weeks
MREs per week that you can sneak into regular diet A=1
A=1
H=LxA=1040x1= 1040 Meals
MREs per week that you would use post apocalypse C=14
C=14
Therefore
Your survival reserve of MREs would last
S=H/C=1040/14= 74 Weeks

Worked example for Fresh Milk shelf life of 2 weeks
L=2 weeks
Litres of milk per week that you can sneak into regular diet A=4
A=4
H=LxA=2x4= 8 Litres
Litres per week that you would use post apocalypse C=4
C=4
Therefore
Your survival reserve of Fresh Milk would last
S=H/C=8/4= 2 Weeks

Conclusions:

I overthink some stuff and need to get out more.
It's mathematically impossible to store enough short shelf life goods while expecting it to last well into a long crisis.
If you store long shelf life goods you CAN hold enough to last through a reasonably long disaster, but you have to coax some into your regular diet.
If you have the same regular consumption pattern pre and post apocalypse then your emergency rations will last you (1 x Shelf Life of product)

"Eat what you store: Store what you eat" is the mantra. But it isn't easy.

* We consumed one tin of Hotdogs for dinner yesterday. They were 'meh' :)
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Tinned fish is my main go to, a mixture of tuna, mackerel, sardines and kippers.
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pseudonym wrote: Sun Feb 15, 2026 2:16 pm Tinned fish is my main go to, a mixture of tuna, mackerel, sardines and kippers.
Tinned Fish probably worthy of it's own thread because there is so much variation in value for money and quality. Some of the tins are tiny and loaded with brine, oil, or sauce.
B&M, Home Bargains, Farmfoods have some decent offers, including 400g tins of salmon. Who cares how pink or red it is :) I look at the price per 100g or kilo of fish content and aim for <£10 per kilo. Some of the pricing is a mickey take and pretty volatile.

Tinned fish, generally, is a good option because stated BBE on tinned fish can be up to three years out, and it really does rotate in easily, so a win win.

I do rather dislike the bone removing game.
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Sardines. Pretty healthy apparently. A bit gross to look at, but you can mash them up. Mix them with other stuff. Tinned mackerel. Used to have this when I went climbing, and sometimes dinner in the works canteen.
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jennyjj01 wrote: Sun Feb 15, 2026 9:57 am Our American prepper cousins seem to rave over peanut butter. I might look into that. Never got a taste for it.
Will also need to modify our regular diet towards pulses. More chilis and curries.
Today I take my first dip into Peanut butter and the pros and cons of storing it.

TLDR: I'll only hold Peanut Butter in extreme moderation.

My current daily diet almost certainly has less than 50% of Recommended Intake of Protein, and my carb rich extended pantry is woefully short of the stuff, so I'm looking at increasing my holding of the protein foods with a selection of products.

Typical Recommended Intake of Protein is 60g / day. I think that's a big ask.

Options include:-
1kg Loose Dry Kidney Beans (Taken as a proxy for any mix of Dried Pulses)
700g tub Peanut Butter
125g Tins of Sardines (In Sauce)
132g Tins of tuna (In Oil)
250g Tins of Bacon Grill
400g Tins Baked Beans
I evaluate Calories per £Pound and grams of Protein per £pound using best value products.
WeightCostkCal per tinkCal/£Protein per tinProtein/£
Peanut Butter700g£2.2544311969168g75
Dry Kidney Beans1kg£2.2533301480225g100
Sardines145g£0.6926037720g29
Tuna (drained)93g£0.8021827223g29
Bacon Grill250g£1.9078041031g16
Baked Beans400g£0.4216038123g55
Of the listed foods, Peanut Butter is Best VFM on Calories and 2nd Best VFM on Protein content.

Now, here's the problem:
If you want to take in 60 g of Protein PER DAY, (from just these) you would need to consume either....
Just over a couple of tins of Sardines,Tuna, Bacon Grill, or Baked Beans ( Mix and Match )
or 50g (dry weight) of Kidney Beans
or 95g of Peanut Butter!!!!!

Jeez. Two tins of Bacon Grill per day??? Expensive!
Jeez again. 95g Peanut Butter per day??? Vom!

50g of Kidney Beans is a lot. 95g of Peanut Butter is vom territory!
And if you just had the Peanut Butter, you would massively over-eat calories and feel sick as a dog.

Conclusion:
If you like Peanut Butter, it's a good VFM source of protein, but far, FAR, too calorie rich to be relied on for reaching recommended intake.
Dried Kidney Beans are the cheapest source of Protein (from my list) but you'd need to eat A LOT to reach recommended Intake
Sardines, Tuna, or Humble Baked Beans are the most practical option at reasonable cost
Tinned Meat such as Bacon Grill is not very practical to eat enough of, and highest Cost by a long way.

I might come back and edit in some more options such as Dried Eggs, Oats, Flour, or even Protein Powders.
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I asked my favourite AI
"list 20 long shelf life food types in descending numerical order of percentage protein content"
It replied...

Long Shelf Life Foods Ranked by Protein Content
Food TypeProtein Content (%)Shelf Life
Freeze-Dried Meat30-50%25+ years
Jerky (various meats)25-30%1-2 years
Powdered Eggs25%5-10 years
Pemmican20-30%1-2 years
Canned Tuna25%2-5 years
Canned Chicken25%2-5 years
Canned Salmon20-25%2-5 years
Canned Beans15-20%2-5 years
Lentils (dried)25%1-2 years
Chickpeas (dried)20%1-2 years
Quinoa14%3-5 years
Almonds (raw)21%1-2 years
Peanut Butter25%1-2 years
Soybeans (dried)36%1-2 years
Wheat (whole)13%5-10 years
Oats13%1-2 years
Rice (white)7%30 years
Pasta7-15%2 years
Canned Vegetables1-5%2-5 years
Canned Fruits1-2%2-5 years
This table lists various long shelf life foods, ranked by their protein content percentage. The shelf life indicates how long these foods can be stored while maintaining their quality.
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Currently packing the store room into storage boxes and just admitted to my husband that we have 76 cans of tuna and 20 cans of corned beef and about 12 packets of red lentils. I havent got round to the canned chicken in sauce, various tinned beans, chickpeas or tinned meats yet. Tuna, corned beef and chicken get eaten and replaced regularly but I do need to buy less for a while I think. The lentils are used to bulk out mince and used for dahl and not eaten quite as much so will not buy more for quite a long time. I do have several tins of salmon which I wrote the wrong year on and which are a couple of years out of date so the cat will get lucky as I am a bit reluctant to eat it.
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Medusa wrote: Wed Feb 18, 2026 7:56 pm Currently packing the store room into storage boxes and just admitted to my husband that we have 76 cans of tuna and 20 cans of corned beef and about 12 packets of red lentils....
I do have several tins of salmon which I wrote the wrong year on and which are a couple of years out of date so the cat will get lucky as I am a bit reluctant to eat it.
You have me beat on tuna and corned beef.

I recall having to reveal my prepping ways to Mr JJ. He still doesn't quite know the extent of it but has embraced modest prepping of his own. :)

Salmon and most tinned meats have BBE WAYYY out into the future and stay good well beyond that. I'd have no qualms about scoffing it 5 years past BBE.

Did buy some bacon grill today BBE 2030
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I see no point in eating food much past it's date. I buy tins of tuna with about 2 years on them, and I eat them within 2 years. If I have 20 tins in the cupboard, I can eat that in a few months, so 2 years is no problem.
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Frnc wrote: Thu Feb 19, 2026 9:14 am I see no point in eating food much past it's date.
Valid point.
I just store so darned much Long Life scoff and eat so little of it, so I can't keep up by rotation. Plus like many preppers, I set down unwise bulk buys that all expire more or less together, like my soup.
Lesson learned, I now buy more progressively and thoughtfully.

I do have zero respect to BBE dates :) I'm too tight to give food away before BBE.
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