re Britain Faces 'Mini Ice Age'

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This opens out a drawerful of new problems. Up here winter is bad enough. The growing season is short and in a bad winter a lot of stuff dies and has to be replaced. It takes more heat to stay well and good quality clothes (which cost money) is a must. Then there's transport - everybody needs a 4x4 here to even get onto the main road. For people who are facing wages cuts and freezes and unemployment life is going to be a real pain.
Will this mean people moving away from areas like this - and will this be good for serious preppers? will prices drop up here and the real preppers move in? Some areas down south will be the same, like Dartmoor and the Pennines. I dont mean exclusively Scotland, just that we are a lot further north and have a lot more empty country .
Would you as a serious prepper, consider moving to a tougher place to live if land and housing was dirt cheap? Would you last more than 2 winters? :twisted:
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I would, but only if I could afford all the gubbins I would need in order to live comfortably, and work from home!
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in the middle of the recent heat wave we were getting parcels delivered, guess what was in them-LONGJOHNS! :lol: there is nothing like being prepared, and oh boy are we prepared? :lol: on the subject of moving, we are 10 miles north of Dartmoor and if i could buy an isolated cottage ON Dartmoor CHEAP then i would do so without a second thought, that has always been my dream, managed it once for a couple of years although it was rented not owned, circumstances changed and i had to move on(divorce).
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Will this mean people moving away from areas like this - and will this be good for serious preppers?
If I had the cash, I'd move away from here in a heartbeat. That isn't said lightly. The highlands is my home. I was born and raised in the highlands and have seen, over my lifetime, the winters fluctuate and go from one extreme to the other only to settle, in recent years, on the 'cold extreme'. As I've just said in the other thread about this, the cold is a killer. Snow might look pretty but it grinds everything to a halt, not the inch or so of snow folks get further south, but up to six feet of it and more in drifts. Nothing's getting through that.
If it lasts for months like the past two years, that means being cut off from shops, regular doctor trips, and other amenities. The council doesn't bother keeping very many single country roads open.
If you are born to this you learn very young to prep for it. You grow up never calling it prepping, mind you, and take for granted you have enough savvy to make sure you lay in enough food, fuel and so on to tide you over being snowed in. It's just a way of life.

Well, I'm a deal older now and such winters are hard on older folks with ailing health. :(
not to mention, the economic 'downturn' ( hate that word....) meant that not so long ago I had to use up all my prep stock to tide us over our own economic crisis. We have struggled this summer to replace it but haven't got anywhere near to where we were before. Just haven't got the means.
I see people come and go here. They see the place in summer, fall in love with it, and move. Then winter hits. Very few stick it out and last more than one or two winters. The community structures that used to exist in places like this are no longer there as youngsters have no choice but to move south to find work, as schools close, doctors and dentists are cut, and old people die out with nobody to replace them.
Much of the wilder parts of the highlands, once bearing thriving wee communities that could happily withstand winters, are gone.
If anyone wants wilderness, it's here. If you want isolation, it's here. If you want great beauty, tranquility and a great deal of personal freedom, it's here.
But if you want community, forget it. If you want amenities that other parts of Scotland take for granted, ditto. The highlands are slowly being depopulated, some believe deliberately, leaving space only for summer holiday homes, rich playgrounds, and vast areas of 'wildlife parks' that people are discouraged from living and working on.
I fully expect not to end my days here. Can't tell you how heartbreaking that actually is. But until the heart is put back into these isolated areas, winters become not the beauty they could be, but dangerous and backbreaking.
House prices are already falling here. You can pick up a wee crofthouse for £135 thou, less than half of this time last year.
But it's only for the young, fit and dedicated. And even they should bear in mind they'll one day be old, infirm and lonely. And this isn't the place for that.
Sorry to be so negative. We can't all be cheerful all the time, especially in the face of the reality of it. :oops:
I really do think many folks totally underestimate winters further north.
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They do tend to misjudge winters up here yes - people move up here and can't stand it and move back south. But did you not see on BBC last winter, in the coldest place in Britain (Altnaharra) on the coldest day of the year, they interviewed a young gamekeeper and this laddie was right broad Yorkshire :lol: he said "Oh I don't mind the cold, I'm too busy" .... and I thought good for you son! I wonder how he's doing now.
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He'll do fine again this winter too. Because he's young. ;) The young are pretty much fearless and believe, still, in their own immortality.
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Red Doe, i found your description of life in the highlands very educational and it seems you are preparing for when you must leave. I wish you well and hope things work out ok in the future. I have had many changes in my life and looked at each one as a challenge which enabled me to pull through. My health is the latest crisis with Gallbladder removal due on the 10 Nov. A simple procedure but i have had 3 previous ops on stomach and groin area so i am apprehensive. The thing is this is a challenge in the hands of medics, so it will be much easier for me. When someone has lived in an area all their lives and they love it, i can only think that it is a huge challenge to surmount. Once again, good luck for the future.
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Much as I would like to say yes, I'm smart enough to know I'm too old and single. It's not just moving house, it's a complete lifestyle change. Often, areas difficult to live in also suffer from a job shortage too, double whammy.
I've lived a similar life when I was young and loved it. However, I had the rest of my family and we supported each other.
Having said all that, if I had a family, and a way to financially support them, I'd give it serious thought.
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buttystella wrote: I have had many changes in my life and looked at each one as a challenge which enabled me to pull through. My health is the latest crisis with Gallbladder removal due on the 10 Nov. .
i had this operation back in 1995, was an emergency operation in my case, i left hospital after 10 days and felt as weak as a kitten for the first week, but you get a bit stronger every day and the only reminder i have of it these days is a nice big scar, normally they do keyhole surgery but due to my size this wasnt possible, i keep saying i will go to the tattooist and get the scar made into a zipper! :lol:
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diamond lil wrote:This opens out a drawerful of new problems. Up here winter is bad enough. The growing season is short and in a bad winter a lot of stuff dies and has to be replaced. It takes more heat to stay well and good quality clothes (which cost money) is a must. Then there's transport - everybody needs a 4x4 here to even get onto the main road. For people who are facing wages cuts and freezes and unemployment life is going to be a real pain.
Will this mean people moving away from areas like this - and will this be good for serious preppers? will prices drop up here and the real preppers move in? Some areas down south will be the same, like Dartmoor and the Pennines. I dont mean exclusively Scotland, just that we are a lot further north and have a lot more empty country .
Would you as a serious prepper, consider moving to a tougher place to live if land and housing was dirt cheap? Would you last more than 2 winters? :twisted:

I loved the Highlands the two summers I visited, but I couldn't deal with winters in Yorkshire and can barely stick winters down here in the South of England! I keep having to leave every few years for a few months to warmer, lighter climes to escape the cold & dark!

For cheap property that you could have a smallholding on, with a milder climate, I would suggest parts of rural France. Climate is better south of the Loire. France is twice the size of the UK with about half the population (most are in the big cities) and there's still a lot of very cheap (c.f. UK) knackered old cottages out there that could be done up! Some have land and/or their own pond, stretch of river or water well!


Also, re. TSHTF, TEOTWAWKI, Zombies: France has a much more relaxed & sensible system of self-defense device / firearms regulations than the UK. It seems to work very well too!