Packs,Gas Masks,Radios

[TomW]

Finally got a chance to add the links lol!
Data sheet/product specs

Greenham product page - £17.80 delivered

Ebay and cheapest I've found so far...

I'm not affiliated with any of the above and I'm sure there's many more suppliers out there I'll let you know what its like when I've received it.

ETA




In comparison to standard s10 filter its a bit larger!


Fits the mask nicely and despite the increase in size its not any more unbalanced.

[Eatmoreveg]

We have been here before.

Transmitting without a licence is illegal and also you are probably screwing up somebody else's equipment. The radio spectrum is crowded these days and there are really no 'free' areas.

Get licensed or stop transmitting, the penalties when you are caught are severe and you probably don't need a criminal record.

Hi Ian...

you are right i dont use my clansmans only in emergencies or in private land...i know clansmans use old military frequencies that are not being used....i do got a licence to use proper radios as i do security...my friend its a police officer...well 3 ov them so i do get information from them as i cant allow to have a criminal record and definetly dont want one...its important that everything its under legal surcumstances whats for me very important.There is civilian Cb licence i can get and i did thought to get that anyway as would be a good idea.Thanks for your thoughts Ian.Take Care

i remember in the 80s cbs were every where i thought that the gov made them legal to use , i did have a thought maybe we could use marine freqs a licence is needed but not hard to get i hear? ill have to remember to see if vhf marine can be used inland on waterways

[Ian]

CB's now do not need a licence but some of the early frequencies were outlawed so be careful when buying second-hand that they are the more modern and legal kit.

There is a lot of confusion about the marine band. Certainly a licence is needed which is simple to get for the low powered hand-helds but you must sit a rather expensive course if you want to use the better sets. Unfortunately you may only use them whilst at sea, which I have always interpreted as floating on salt water. Some people argue that if it is used from a registered boat on fresh water that is OK but it is still to be tested in court. Up to now there has been little 'abuse' of either interpretation but if people believe there is a 'loophole' and there are promlems OFCOM will be using the 'safety of life' argument and coming down like a tonne of bricks. Not worth it.

[modplod]

As a new member of this forum I don't wish to cause an argument but before anyone fires off about transmitting on the radio spectrum without a proper licence surely in the event of a breakdown in society this is the very last thing anyone will be concerned with?

As I understand it a Clansman radio was designed by the military for military use. Therefore most of the frequencies available to a Clansman user will be alloted to the MoD?

When I used the Clansman (in the TA), we used varous transmit frequencies around 40 MHZ if my memory serves me correctly. The Clansman was never very reliable over 15 miles in any case. I believe the new gear used is the Bowman. Use of anologue frequencies will not interfere with modern military digital sets or satelite comms.

Personally if the authorities are that concerned about unlicenced use of the radio spectrum, why are they allowing military sets like the Clansman to be sold to persons without a licence or proper knowledge? I would have thought their best bet would be to destroy the old sets instead.

Anyone looking at a cheap method of remote radio communication would probably be best advised to use legal CB's or 446Mhz for local comms (1-5 miles) in any case. For long distance (25 Miles plus) you will need HF without rebro net. For intermediate distances (10-50 miles) a 144MHZ or 430Mhz set (using rebro net) will work quite well although rebro nets will probably fail in times of civil unrest.

I understand that it will soon be legal to buy and use Single Sideband CB radios. That will open up a completely new option for those looking for short and intermediate distance (unsecure) comms.

Of course anyone who is looking for a more secure method of comms will probably want to use frequencies not used by anyone else and will need to go down the illegal route.

I suspect the Radio Investigation Service will cease to exist when the SHTF.

As for the person flamed early on in this thread for daring to use radio equiptment which uses illegal frequencies, his move here may turn out to be quite an enlightened idea when the baloon goes up (as it surely will one day). The way I see it, providing he doesn't actually use the stuff until TSHTF then he isn't hurting anyone...

For what it's worth, That's my take on the situation here in this thread.

[Ian]

Unfortunately using a radio is not so much a science, more of an art, especially HF, it is not like using a mobile phone, so it is necessary to practice and test using the kit before you need to use it for real. How will you do that without breaking the law. That is something that this forum does not condone.

The Clansman is now quite old and can fail and transmit with harmonics on other frequencies which would interfere with legitimate users, also many military bands have dual use with other users who may have priority. How would the user know unless they had test equipment and the knowledge of what to do with it? The lad in question seems to believe that transmitting on private land or the fact his employer has a business radio licence or the fact he has friends in the police legitimises his illegal use. I trust he does not find out the hard way and loose his CRB accreditation.

Clansman kit is sold as it is a useful base to modify and use on licensable frequencies but of course you must know how to do it right and there are military collectors and re-enactors to sell to as well.

It is easy to wipe out digital transmissions by swamping them with a more powerful signal e.g. an illegal free-bander with a 2kW burner and a fistful of harmonics from a poorly converted set.

I trust the opening up of CB will happen it will be useful but the CEPT recommendation of 1st October 2011 has passed without any comment from OFCOM even acknowledging SSB CB and knowing OFCOM I would not expect anything for another couple of years.

I don't think there are ANY frequencies that are empty these days. The pressure on bandwidth is enormous and thus access is expensive. Just wait until 4G is in OFCOM's sights. Billions will change hands. If you transmit outside your licence you will be interfering with someone.

There are plenty of legitimate routes people may use, Ham, CB, Business radio. Those routes are not expensive, there is plenty of kit, new and second hand, plenty of help from people who know and an accepted system so kit is interchangeable and so people don't interfere with each other and destroy the reliability. I can see no reason to transmit illegally except so the user can experience a frisson of getting one over 'the man' and demonstrate their 'independence'. Phooy it is just being selfish.

I agree that when the balloon goes up everything is up for grabs but if anyone thinks they will be able to take their mothballed radio out of its ammo can and use it without problems they will be in for a surprise.

I believe that this forum exists to exchange information and help people prepare. If that information is ignored it is of no consequence to me at all, but any other readers should be in no doubt of the consequences of not taking that advice.

[JohnRio]

NDF - I love the S10, it's probably an icon. I don't have one myself, but recently got myself an unused, good-as-new S6, which is a very comfy mask. I also have a few Soviet ones from the 80s. All new/unused from Ebay. My all time favourite is the Soviet PMG mask, made from a single piece of latex, and takes the 40mm filters. Very snug, and the one in my collection I'd rely on to save my life. Completely air-tight. I've used it with an S10 filter to chop onions... But yes, if you want to have an effective mask, test the hell out of it - at least do the air-tight test.

The thing about filters is that they have a fairly short shelf-life, so you need relatively recent ones for them to be effective. Also, once the vacuum seal is breached, then their life is even shorter. I managed to get a few sealed ones off Ebay a year or more ago - I'll have to replace these in the next year or so.

If you want a brand new NBC filter, then look here:

http://surviveall.co.uk/shop/product.ph ... t=7&page=1

These are 40mm, so will of course fit any NATO mask or indeed Soviet ones (bizarrely, they use 40mm as well). I have one of these filters in my collection too.

I used to keep a hidden GHB at my old workplace in London. It was full of maps and emergency supplies to get me home in the event of terrorist action. It contained a Soviet GP5 mask and sealed S10 filter - just in case things went REALLY pear-shaped... Nowadays I just keep some good dust masks in my rucksack.

I have an old Sov GP5. It has successfully protected me in very, very dusty environments such as when I was derusting the bilges of a rusty old steel hull, and protected me from smoke inhalation from a paper fire, not to mention the fire extinguisher dust as well.

IMO - dust & smoke inhalation i.e. particulates are the most likely aireborne hazards that you may face when SHTF.

I've had the one filter on it since 2001. I'm going to buy a couple more.

In case you're wondering I can never got those decorator-type dust masks to seal around my nose, so they're worse than useless to me.