Bugging Out ?

[preppingsu]

I've quite enjoyed watching programmes like Coal House at war and the one where they were working in the slate mines. OK, the cottages used up Snowdon were refubished to replicate the era but there would be other stone built properties like that up Snowdon. They would probably be near a source of water. I need to do a bit of research but they would be a possibility (although could have competition from the natives... ).

I really need to think in more depth about places more local to me. There are plenty of 'off-the-beaten-tracks' roads with building along them, just need to do some reccy work. Finding an isolated place with resources is a challenge.

[TeeDee]

Ok, so how about broadening it out a little to include places that might be a good location ?

A specific place rather than a general idea....for example St Michaels Mt in Cornwall or one of the Napoleonic Forts in the Solent etc....yes I know a travel lodge might be more comfortable for a night or 2 but just humour me

I guess some of the things to take into account would be

Access to fresh water, fresh food, how many people required to defend the place if required, is it too attractive to others with the same idea ?

PS, If we can try and keep it civil we might all learn something we didnt know and get some ideas for possible locations if they are ever needed

Now , Threats can be High Probability -Low Impact , and Low Probability - High Impact also we need to identify you are far more likely to deal with a House Fire or Local area flooding as opposed to escaping the aftermath of an Large Asteroid striking the Earth.

As an Example.

1) Identify the Potential Threat. ( Do you live in a Potential Flood Zone? )

2) Identify a Possible Exit Route and how the Exite Route will alter during a Public known Threat.
( Which routes don't get Flooded? Have good commuter points )

3) Identify a Potential B-O-L , What makes it a good BOL? What does it offer? What links or equipment can you gain access to in that area?
( Do you have friends you can live with out of the Flood zone are at the drop of a Hat? If not Lodgings close by at easy access ,Travel Lodge )

4) Recognize the Time it take to get from Home to BOL under worse case conditions. Does it and the route still seem like a good options.


@CarrotCruncher - Are you more after suitable locations for what I would term a Post fall community?? So that mean a real Mad Max/1970's Survivors major Die off of western Population????

[TeeDee]

Ok, so how about broadening it out a little to include places that might be a good location ?

A specific place rather than a general idea....for example St Michaels Mt in Cornwall or one of the Napoleonic Forts in the Solent etc....yes I know a travel lodge might be more comfortable for a night or 2 but just humour me

I guess some of the things to take into account would be

Access to fresh water, fresh food, how many people required to defend the place if required, is it too attractive to others with the same idea ?

PS, If we can try and keep it civil we might all learn something we didnt know and get some ideas for possible locations if they are ever needed

I think for the sake of clarity the Scenario needs to be defined , I'm actually in agreement with those that say prep for a flood or house fire ( hell , even a divorce..Squirrel away the cash!) because THOSE things are MOST probable to happen to you in your lifetime.

However , I don't think many of our imaginations were fired by those scenarios and as a bunch we are probably more creative and interested in the "What If" Scenarios that require some suspension of disbelief , so what if we define the context of the End-Of-The-World scenario??

I'm happy to play along with the premise of series "Survivors" , ie a Global Pandemic that results in a massive die-off , main infrastructure are still in place but no maintenance nor agricultural nor knowledge to make/mend/do those things have survived. The remaining population is resistant to the disease ( which has not affected the animal food chain ) , but people are reacting in different ways to the threat some band together to farm, some to loot ,some kill.

You are survivor , average day average Joe, not a Prepper , no 5 years of food or weapons stored , just you and the rest of the ( open ) world.

Stuff of quasi fantasy??? YES ( Guilty as charged )

So Under that Scenario , where would you head to and what would you be looking for ???

( @Carrotcruncher - Sorry , Didn't mean a Hijack just felt it needed some defined scenario- If I've got the wrong end of the stick please admonish me )

[diamond lil]

Great thread CC, very interesting thanks.
Water isnt a huge problem in Scotland, plenty of hills with wee burns running down them, just take water from near the top and use purifying tabs. If you were good at bushcraft then there's miles&miles&miles of huge, dark, sheltered forestry commission woods. They keep find suicides that have been lying in tents in there for many months, so it must be possible to hide well.
There are loads of half ruined shepherds & gamekeepers cottages dotted all over the place, always near water. It would be possible to fix up a tarp, or build a makeshift dyke to keep wind/rain or prying eyes out.
You'd need manpower (or sensible kids) to collect wood to keep a fire going all the time, to dry wet clothes or people would get bronchitis/ pneumonia very quickly.
You'd need to be able to hunt - and catch more than just rabbits or blue hare. Pheasants and partridge and grouse and deer. You'd need to know how to fish for salmon or trout. And sheep of course.
You'd need to know which plants you can eat.
And however good you were, you'd get very very hungry and cold !

[pseudonym]

I think for the sake of clarity the Scenario needs to be defined , I'm actually in agreement with those that say prep for a flood or house fire ( hell , even a divorce..Squirrel away the cash!) because THOSE things are MOST probable to happen to you in your lifetime.

However , I don't think many of our imaginations were fired by those scenarios and as a bunch we are probably more creative and interested in the "What If" Scenarios that require some suspension of disbelief , so what if we define the context of the End-Of-The-World scenario??

I'm happy to play along with the premise of series "Survivors" , ie a Global Pandemic that results in a massive die-off , main infrastructure are still in place but no maintenance nor agricultural nor knowledge to make/mend/do those things have survived. The remaining population is resistant to the disease ( which has not affected the animal food chain ) , but people are reacting in different ways to the threat some band together to farm, some to loot ,some kill.

You are survivor , average day average Joe, not a Prepper , no 5 years of food or weapons stored , just you and the rest of the ( open ) world.

Stuff of quasi fantasy??? YES ( Guilty as charged )

So Under that Scenario , where would you head to and what would you be looking for ???

( @Carrotcruncher - Sorry , Didn't mean a Hijack just felt it needed some defined scenario- If I've got the wrong end of the stick please admonish me )

Easy, the nearest Army base - for me that's 1 mile to a TA Unit and a further mile to a Regular Corp HQ.

The latter I know where the Armoury keys are kept

[Brambles]

Well, I'm thinking Pillboxes, myself.

http://www.online-archaeology.co.uk/uka ... px?catid=5

[TeeDee]

Easy, the nearest Army base - for me that's 1 mile to a TA Unit and a further mile to a Regular Corp HQ.

The latter I know where the Armoury keys are kept

Ok, fair enough ,( and I'm playing Devils Advocate here regardless of if I Agree/Disagree with you ) You turn up at the Base , you manage to access the Armoury... then what??
, Are you going to turn the base into your 'settlement'??
What does it have as resources??
What doesn't it have??
Is it off pre-fall commuter routes??
Does it have its own water source? How will you generate Electricity??

Detail why and how you would pick it , its Pro's , Cons and how you would balance these.

[TeeDee]

Well, I'm thinking Pillboxes, myself.

http://www.online-archaeology.co.uk/uka ... px?catid=5

Ok , Maybe I need to make it clear , the Global Pandemic has passed , you as a survivor have the 1 in 100 000 genetic make up that makes you resistant. There is no further risk to you as an individual from this Pandemic.

Why a Pillbox??
How will you heat it ?
Can you grow food easy within reach of it??
If its just you by yourself its roomy enough I guess , so do you intend to live as a sole survivor on your lonesome??
Water Source?
Energy requirements ( Fuel for cooking or Electricity for Other things )



Again , no right or wrong answers on any of this its just a good exercise to make one think and question the Whys of their BOL location.

[Brambles]

Well, I'm thinking Pillboxes, myself.

http://www.online-archaeology.co.uk/uka ... px?catid=5

Ok , Maybe I need to make it clear , the Global Pandemic has passed , you as a survivor have the 1 in 100 000 genetic make up that makes you resistant. There is no further risk to you as an individual from this Pandemic.

Why a Pillbox??
How will you heat it ?
Can you grow food easy within reach of it??
If its just you by yourself its roomy enough I guess , so do you intend to live as a sole survivor on your lonesome??
Water Source?


Energy requirements ( Fuel for cooking or Electricity for Other things )



Again , no right or wrong answers on any of this its just a good exercise to make one think and question the Whys of their BOL location.

Why a Pillbox?? convenient, well built, well hidden.
How will you heat it ? much as you'd heat anything else. Below ground ones have a more stable temp.
Can you grow food easy within reach of it?? Yes
If its just you by yourself its roomy enough I guess , so do you intend to live as a sole survivor on your lonesome?? Yes. I live alone now and rarely see another soul for days.
Water Source? Rainwater capture and water course nearby.
Fuel? Local to a small woods.
There's no rocket science involved. If you intend to use a structure a pillbox is as good as any.
However, the liklihood of me surviving more than a few weeks is remote to zero due to a medical condition, so it's a moot point really. Hence why I don't do conspiracies, TEOTWAKI, SHTF end of days, 2012, Zombie Apocolypse or terminal Pandemic. I'll be dead wayyyyy before that and life is far too precious to get bent out of shape over it now.
Bugging out would also be the very last thought on my mind.
Keep calm and carry on prepping!(for whatever you believe )

[diamond lil]

It kills the discussion if we try to be too specific and pedantic. Lets enjoy our thoughts and ideas and imaginings and plans without nit picking . I like to hear what other people envisage doing