i dont think the Police EVER had control of the streets, there was just too many rioters and too few Police, just ask the people in the flats who had to run for their lives when their properties were set alight, just in the clothes they stood up in.Triple_sod wrote: when building were burning and the police losing control of the street......
bugging out
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bulldogeagle
Re: bugging out
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Triple_sod
Re: bugging out
You know what mean.......bulldogeagle wrote:i dont think the Police EVER had control of the streets, there was just too many rioters and too few Police, just ask the people in the flats who had to run for their lives when their properties were set alight, just in the clothes they stood up in.Triple_sod wrote: when building were burning and the police losing control of the street......
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bulldogeagle
Re: bugging out
uh!Triple_sod wrote:You know what mean.......bulldogeagle wrote:i dont think the Police EVER had control of the streets, there was just too many rioters and too few Police, just ask the people in the flats who had to run for their lives when their properties were set alight, just in the clothes they stood up in.Triple_sod wrote: when building were burning and the police losing control of the street......
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Triple_sod
Re: bugging out
Well whenever and wherever you decide to draw the line the police obviously at some point were ‘losing control of the street’.bulldogeagle wrote: uh!
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Carrot Cruncher
Re: bugging out
The reason the police lost control in the riots is that they have one arm tied behind their back, as soon as a policeman cracks a rioter over the head it is on 24hr news and he is investigated by god knows how many organisations. One outcome of the riots is that people are suggesting the police should use a lot more force (including live rounds) in a riots early stages to prevent it escalating.
They would have been perfectly able to stop the riots this summer without live rounds or water cannon, the problem is the general population doesn't like to see force being used which is fine until it is your property/life being put at risk.
The police are in a no win situation, they get criticised for being too soft but as soon as they start to crack skulls they are criticised again.
They would have been perfectly able to stop the riots this summer without live rounds or water cannon, the problem is the general population doesn't like to see force being used which is fine until it is your property/life being put at risk.
The police are in a no win situation, they get criticised for being too soft but as soon as they start to crack skulls they are criticised again.
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bulldogeagle
Re: bugging out
very true, but when you see shops and businesses being broken into, looted and then set alight, and the Police are further down the street,"holding the line" but not actually STOPPING the rioting , that dosent look good either.
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Carrot Cruncher
Re: bugging out
It doesn't, but like I just said, if they had gone in there and cracked a few skulls they would then be accused of police brutality by some of the same people who are now moaning about them being too soft
No doubt if tshtf though they would be under different orders, so the riots can't be compared directly to what would happen in any future shtf scenario apart from maybe the very early stages. In a SHTF scenario knowing you may be shot for rioting/looting instead of getting Community Service or a slapped wrist will make a lot of them think twice.... so your bug out (or in) plans need to take into account both types of scenario
No doubt if tshtf though they would be under different orders, so the riots can't be compared directly to what would happen in any future shtf scenario apart from maybe the very early stages. In a SHTF scenario knowing you may be shot for rioting/looting instead of getting Community Service or a slapped wrist will make a lot of them think twice.... so your bug out (or in) plans need to take into account both types of scenario
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bulldogeagle
Re: bugging out
but, but, but do you HAVE to crack skulls to arrest people? i suppose if you havent got enough Police on the street then you have to resort to violence to get the job done, dosent that make the Police as bad as the ones they are trying to arrest? like you say in a SHTF event all bets are off, in WW2 werent looters shot by soldiers? wether you bug out or in depends on where a person lives i suppose, what a city prepper will do will be different to what a country dweller will do.
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Carrot Cruncher
Re: bugging out
Nodosent that make the Police as bad as the ones they are trying to arrest?
Look at it another way, what level of force would you use to protect yourself, family, or property from rioters or looters ? Does that make you as bad as the looters ?
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bulldogeagle
Re: bugging out
No, because at the end of the day, i will only use sufficient force to get me and mine away from our attackers, or enough force to get them out of my home.Carrot Cruncher wrote:Nodosent that make the Police as bad as the ones they are trying to arrest?
Look at it another way, what level of force would you use to protect yourself, family, or property from rioters or looters ? Does that make you as bad as the looters ?