4x4 on a budget
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Northern Raider
Re: 4x4 on a budget
dch wrote:p.p.s sorry i'm just a bit of a land rover fan.
you have my sympathy on your affliction
God created Landrovers, Mitsubishi made them work.
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Carrot Cruncher
Re: 4x4 on a budget
There will be hundreds of different views on what is the best 4x4, in my opinion the best 4x4 is the one you can afford at the time 
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dch
Re: 4x4 on a budget
thats very true CC, my brother had an audi tt and with the quatro system it was very good in the snow.
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Bulldog
Re: 4x4 on a budget
I bought a Warrior a few months back and am over the moon with it, it performed very well in the snow.
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uk survivalist
Re: 4x4 on a budget
Hi
I would go for a landrover 110 county station wagon (CSW) or a older series (CSW) for the following reasons.
1, Spares are readily available and cheap.
2, There are so many aftermarket accessories available for landrovers.
3, Offroad its very good but remember the longer the vehicle, it cuts down on the ascent and decent angles of approaches.
4, In a shtf situation parts will be readily available anywhere.
5, The carrying capacity is good but when combined with a full length roof rack and a secondhand sankey trailer its massive.
6, Easy to work on, join a LR club you will find them very useful.
7, Landrovers can be rebuilt with a new chassis which is what i did with my old series 3 109.
Hope this helps.
UKS
I would go for a landrover 110 county station wagon (CSW) or a older series (CSW) for the following reasons.
1, Spares are readily available and cheap.
2, There are so many aftermarket accessories available for landrovers.
3, Offroad its very good but remember the longer the vehicle, it cuts down on the ascent and decent angles of approaches.
4, In a shtf situation parts will be readily available anywhere.
5, The carrying capacity is good but when combined with a full length roof rack and a secondhand sankey trailer its massive.
6, Easy to work on, join a LR club you will find them very useful.
7, Landrovers can be rebuilt with a new chassis which is what i did with my old series 3 109.
Hope this helps.
UKS
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gilzam
Re: 4x4 on a budget
As I remember the OP wanted a vehicle with 'decent' 4x4 ability to do school runs... Hence why I recommended one of the very few small user friendly 4x4s with genuine off road ability coupled with a high degree of user friendliness. A Defender or a Series LR is I think not what is to be recommended in this case. If nothing else their safety in the event of an accident makes them highly questionable for school run with a bit of emergency ability use. I won't get started about reliability.
The topic was not really supposed to be LR Vs everything else, but inevitably as a British forum there will be a heavy LR bias. In the interests of fairness ;
DCH:
Toyota do not give a 'special' rate to the UN - the UN vehicles (along with all sorts of agencies and companies) buy from Toyota Stockholdings Gibralter. So long as you qualify anyone can buy from them.... yeah they will be cheap as they will not be VAT or duty prices. You would have to sort that out when importing. The UN also do not exclusively use LCs, but they do dominate their fleets as they are the best choice in terms of durability and running costs in arduous conditions.
Landrover effectively gave up the sort of "NGO developing world type market" when they ended 300tdi production. Basically they rolled over and exposed their soft under belly
(to Toyota and Nissan). I would have bought a new Defender in a flash if it had:
- mechanically injected large capacity diesel
- better build quality
- thicker chassis
- steel body (not directly chassis mounted)
- better electrics
I have owned and or used in African conditions over 14 years:
Nissan Patrol GQ 4.2 D
Hilux - 3 of them
Landrover Defender Hi Cap P/up
Landcruiser S/Wagon 80 series - 2 of them
Nissan D22 Hardbody p/ups - 2 of them
Landcruiser HZJ 75 p/up
Landcruiser HZJ79 p/up
Defender 300tdi S/wagon
Landcruiser KZJ105 S/wagon - 2 of them
My last private vehicle was a Defender 300 tdi that I rebuilt from the ground up as an expedition vehicle. It says a lot that I got rid of it (although I loved it) and got a Landcruiser HZJ78 'troop carrier'. Why? Well, when in places where a breakdown could actually be life threatening the choice was not difficult.
Yes the Defender is (out of the box) a better pure off roader (although off road desert use is one area where they do not excel). However for say developing world use (as opposed to Euro recreational or professional use) the advantages of the Landcruiser are usually valued above that of absolute off road ability.
However all this is I think off topic, and for a user friendly 4x4 that is safe and reliable for a school run and yet (with decent tyres) very able off road I really do think the Suzuki Grand Vitara would suit the OP's requirements nicely. A Renault Kangoo would also be a fine choice. Yes if the world ended then a Defender might be a better choice, but in the real world......?
The topic was not really supposed to be LR Vs everything else, but inevitably as a British forum there will be a heavy LR bias. In the interests of fairness
;DCH:
Toyota do not give a 'special' rate to the UN - the UN vehicles (along with all sorts of agencies and companies) buy from Toyota Stockholdings Gibralter. So long as you qualify anyone can buy from them.... yeah they will be cheap as they will not be VAT or duty prices. You would have to sort that out when importing. The UN also do not exclusively use LCs, but they do dominate their fleets as they are the best choice in terms of durability and running costs in arduous conditions.
Landrover effectively gave up the sort of "NGO developing world type market" when they ended 300tdi production. Basically they rolled over and exposed their soft under belly
(to Toyota and Nissan). I would have bought a new Defender in a flash if it had:- mechanically injected large capacity diesel
- better build quality
- thicker chassis
- steel body (not directly chassis mounted)
- better electrics
I have owned and or used in African conditions over 14 years:
Nissan Patrol GQ 4.2 D
Hilux - 3 of them
Landrover Defender Hi Cap P/up
Landcruiser S/Wagon 80 series - 2 of them
Nissan D22 Hardbody p/ups - 2 of them
Landcruiser HZJ 75 p/up
Landcruiser HZJ79 p/up
Defender 300tdi S/wagon
Landcruiser KZJ105 S/wagon - 2 of them
My last private vehicle was a Defender 300 tdi that I rebuilt from the ground up as an expedition vehicle. It says a lot that I got rid of it (although I loved it) and got a Landcruiser HZJ78 'troop carrier'. Why? Well, when in places where a breakdown could actually be life threatening the choice was not difficult.
Yes the Defender is (out of the box) a better pure off roader (although off road desert use is one area where they do not excel). However for say developing world use (as opposed to Euro recreational or professional use) the advantages of the Landcruiser are usually valued above that of absolute off road ability.
However all this is I think off topic, and for a user friendly 4x4 that is safe and reliable for a school run and yet (with decent tyres) very able off road I really do think the Suzuki Grand Vitara would suit the OP's requirements nicely. A Renault Kangoo would also be a fine choice. Yes if the world ended then a Defender might be a better choice, but in the real world......?
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dch
Re: 4x4 on a budget
well i;m not going to disagree with you gilzam, i did however want to share my opinion, and with an attempt to move back on thread (as i moved it well off) i have seen some of the suzuki jimny? the little ones, off road, they are very good and cheap to run.
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uk survivalist
Re: 4x4 on a budget
Hi
The problem with answering a question like this is we have very little info to go on.
Info like is this going to be your only vehicle or do you have another vehicle?. Will you be using it offroad?. How much mods do you wish to carry out on it?. Are you thinking of a onroad vehicle with the advantage of driving on slippery roads and light offroading?. The list is endless.
Because all of us will have different ideas of a BOV be it 4x4 or something else, my idea of a BOV is one that will do the job that i want it to do, that is to go anywhere and i have modified mine to do that.
UKS
The problem with answering a question like this is we have very little info to go on.
Info like is this going to be your only vehicle or do you have another vehicle?. Will you be using it offroad?. How much mods do you wish to carry out on it?. Are you thinking of a onroad vehicle with the advantage of driving on slippery roads and light offroading?. The list is endless.
Because all of us will have different ideas of a BOV be it 4x4 or something else, my idea of a BOV is one that will do the job that i want it to do, that is to go anywhere and i have modified mine to do that.
UKS