Firearms for defensive purposes? - A good link

[Triple_sod]

Yeah I can definitely see where you’re coming from there, probably does happen.
Maybe we should have a something similar to the DVLA only for guns?

But the impression I got, was that you were saying the reason you don’t want to apply for a certificate is because you disagree with the current system,

Which is obviously fair enough,
but does kinda suggest cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I mean I despise paying tax,
wouldn’t purposely keep my earning under the threshold to avoid paying some,

[12mp82]

Maybe we should have a something similar to the DVLA only for guns?

I think that is already starting to happen, look where you make the cheque payable

It seems to me that Redskies is trying to find a fault with the system so he can complain that it is against people applying for a certifcate, whereas in reality it isn't the system that is wrong it appears it is his attitude towards it.

There are things we know that to obtain a certificate-

We have the right to own a shotgun providing we meet the criteria
We need to have a level of checks to see if we meet that criteria
We need to show we meet the criteria

If we show that we can meet the criteria then there is no reason for a certificate not be be issued.

If one is refused there has to be good reasons given in writting, if the applicant doesn't agree the objections then the applicant can of course appeal.

http://www.qebholliswhiteman.co.uk/arti ... rooney.pdf

“They must be lawful; unambiguous; Reasonable; Proportionate; Non-contradictory;
demonstrably beneficial to the public safety; properly notified and evidenced”

I have other stuff I can be doing apart from this tennis game of discussion, if anyone wants to obtain a certificate then apply for one, if anyone doesn't want a certificate then don't apply for one, but please don't blame the system, look at your own attitude towards it.

So often I read on other forums on other subjects where gun ownership that the people of the UK have been disarmed, aren't allowed guns etc etc, which is clearly untrue when you look at it.

[Plymtom]

if anyone wants to obtain a certificate then apply for one, if anyone doesn't want a certificate then don't apply for one, but please don't blame the system, look at your own attitude towards it.

So often I read on other forums on other subjects where gun ownership that the people of the UK have been disarmed, aren't allowed guns etc etc, which is clearly untrue when you look at it.

Yes I agree, it also looks like the original question is getting a little diluted, and that we have demonstrated that if we wished ever to have self defence as a primary reason for firearm ownership, then we would need to grill the arse off of applicants to ensure they had the capabillity to be sensible about it, but if you think about it, if you were in office, (or thought that you wanted to be) would you pick up this cause? I doubt it, on balance I wouldn't, and heres why, for the most part those here clearly can debate intelligently and probably "get it" to trust them with self defence weapons might not be unreasonable, but to open it up to all, nope too risky.

Even bringing back those weapons taken out of the equation by tighter controls would require more probing than the current level methinks.

The debate has motivated me to explore further and sooner than I intended but should not make any difference in the grand scheme of things,, I am going to pop in to my local police station and pick up both Shotgun certificate and FAC forms if it's possible, I think now that it makes sense to see for myself what it's like and get an idea from a police person their attitude to it all in my area.

[redskies]

I'm new, so I'll explain how I generally roll with stuff like this. If you want to do it, go ahead - you won't get any grief off me for it. If you ask my opinion on a system, I'll tell you. Doesn't mean I expect you to agree with me or abide by what I say or whatever. I do my own thing, I expect others to do the same. Just because I don't like something, doesn't mean I expect others to do the same. As a general rule, I'm so laid back I'm practically horizontal. You shouldn't mistake that for not caring; there are some things I'm passionate about. But I do believe in freedom of choice and freedom of speech.

I like back and forth because I like to understand how folk think. Sometimes it changes what I think, sometimes it reinforces it - sometimes it sends me off in new directions. Everyone has something to teach us.

[survivalistuk]

Check this complete nutter out. Alex Jones is the type yank that gives the pro gun the wrong image.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvjz2cvaUhw

[12mp82]

I don't think Alex Jones did anyone any favours at all in That "debate", least of all himself.

[Spiderwebb]

I don't think Alex Jones did anyone any favours at all in That "debate", least of all himself.

Ditto. If he were my neighbour in possession of 50+(?) guns I'd be seriously concerned. The guy has major issues.

[Triple_sod]

Yeah for someone who reckons he well up on ‘manipulation’ and ‘control’……Morgan played him like a violin.

Dunno maybe Jones is crazy like a fox,

He’s spent like the last 3 years telling his audience Obama is coming for their gun….
When you think about it he’s kinda got a vested interest in it, especially now 2012 been and gone.

[Black-Hat]

All alex Jones proved was what a raving lunatic he is

[short circuit]

Why would you even need a firearm? something as simple as a pen could be used...even hunting a simple catapult"pebbles are cheap" is all you need and line float and fishing hooks anything more is just more to carry.