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Plymtom wrote:
Capable of what exactly?
The statement swings both ways Mick, if you had mass murder in mind two reliable identical guns and all the ammo you could carry would be the sensible thing for an insane person to do, whereas a keen hunter or collector would want variety, the quantity does indeed prove nothing on it's own.
What do you mean by swings both ways?

It is quite common to have several identical guns. The only difference is usually the scope in the case of rifles.


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I simply meant it could be used from both sides of the debate Mick, I'd add that it often works against a group to expose one self to the media in an attempt to make that group look "normal" or sane in the average (media following) eye, the Doomsday Preppers are one such example, I was trying like you to say that the ammount of guns you have doesn't make you a nutter, but it could make some people think you are.
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Plymtom wrote:?........the ammount of guns you have doesn't make you a nutter, but it could make some people think you are.
I'd say (in agreement) the quantity of guns is in isolation a small measure of nuttiness. If Alex Jones had conducted himself in a rationale and civilised manner, it wouldn't have been such a discussion point, or at least the emphasis may have been less. In my opinion his mental health IS in question and therefore his possession of any guns IS deeply concerning.

I'd suggest using this guy as a case study for a gun debate is dodgy ground - all debates will focus on the nuttiness and consequentially lead to direct links being made with the high-profile incidents we've been sickened and appaulled by. Substitute this guy with an upstanding, balanced, all round nice chap who owns numerous guns and you have a different debate.

An interesting thread his one.....
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Plymtom wrote:I simply meant it could be used from both sides of the debate Mick, I'd add that it often works against a group to expose one self to the media in an attempt to make that group look "normal" or sane in the average (media following) eye, the Doomsday Preppers are one such example, I was trying like you to say that the ammount of guns you have doesn't make you a nutter, but it could make some people think you are.
Point taken Tom but I seriously disagree when it comes to shooting. I am no danger to anyone at all and feel that kowtowing to the media just plays into the hands of the PTB. Unless we stand up for what we believe in we will ultimately be steamrollered into oblivion.


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firepower wrote:I am no danger to anyone at all
I think they were saying similar things about a lot of registered firearm keepers in the UK, the last three major incidents were all done by people who on a number of occasions were deemed not a danger to any one at all otherwise they wouldn't have been registered firearm holders.

The majority of people are quite rightly not a danger to anyone at all, but every now and then something clicks and the body count goes upwards faster than a series of Midsomer murders or Morse.

Often just saying We're coming for your guns or We're going to make it more difficult to keep your gun is enough to see normally sane people start saying some very strange things. :lol:
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Firepower wrote
Point taken Tom but I seriously disagree when it comes to shooting. I am no danger to anyone at all and feel that kowtowing to the media just plays into the hands of the PTB. Unless we stand up for what we believe in we will ultimately be steamrollered into oblivion.
Just to be clear, I was talking about the public perception, not mine, I do not feel that you or any other shooting enthusiast I have been debating with is a danger, indeed all that is in danger from the likes of us are proper inanimate targets, vermin (of the animal/bird kind) and game animals/birds.

To the original question I currently think yes it should be possible but with propper education and recognised qualification, along with secure sensible storage.


To further gun restrictions a resounding no.

To reversing some if not all of the knee jerk restrictions and bans in the UK since Hungerford/Dunblane yes even if it means training and arming designated teachers librarians and other supervisory staff, along with the arming of police, although I see no reason for the magazine to be actually in the gun until a potential situation occurs, I may go so far as to say a trigger locking device too, all to minimise the chances of imediate missuse if it fell into the wrong hands.

The nutters take advantage in the USA of places which are as wide open to such attack as practicly everywhere in Britain is (unless you're royal, a politician, or a soldier), historically dissarment of any kind has not really decreased the chances of war, we banned chemical weapons in WW1 so invented nuclear ones instead, we didn't blow each other up in the cold war because it was sensless, so why do we think that dissarming all of us will prevent tragedy, some say attack is the best form of defence, yet in our world we are seriously considering dissarming all but the bad guys?

If we ever do encounter troubles and only those outside the law are armed well, what woud be the consequences? the world post WW2 has been as stable as it was going to get, we all shake our heads and say "only in America" when certian things happen, yet unless they change to something more like we have only in America are the odds equall for all.
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In the cases that have happened here in the UK, where we have strict control of firearms, there were clear signs that the shooters should have had their tickets revoked. Did that happen, no. What did happen was that all of the other firearm owners had their freedoms restricted by the PTB. Were any of those police officers that should have acted by withdrawing the offenders tickets punished? Again no. The PTB are not interested in our safety they just want further control over us ;)

The American constitution was written by sane and intelligent men who could forsee that government would become bloated with power. Hence the 2nd amendment. It is not about the right to own the firearms that gets the Americans het up it is the idea that any government will strip them of their historic rights. Once the 2nd gets thrown in the bin the others will soon follow.
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Well said firepower,
End of the day, the amendment act of 1988 didn’t stop Dunblane and the 1997 amendment acts didn’t stop Cumbria...
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Triple Sod wrote
Well said firepower,
End of the day, the amendment act of 1988 didn’t stop Dunblane and the 1997 amendment acts didn’t stop Cumbria...
There aren’t any easy answers.
Well said the both of you.
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firepower wrote:I love the whole "he has 50 guns thing" why does a number become important when you can only shoot one at a time?

I have ten, does that make me more dangerous than if I had one? Of course not.


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I think you missed my point here. The amount of guns isnt the real problem, that fact that Alex Jones is a nut job who blows his top so easily and then seems to have this mocking attitude to anyone with a different opinion having access to 50 plus guns is my point. He seems a little mentally unstable or very short tempered and he has a small arsenal at his disposal.

I wasn't trying to make out that because you have lots of guns your a nutter, my point is this, if your a nutter like him and have access to so many gun then thats likely going to lead to a bad result somewhere down the line. :(