Creating a place to retreat

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Re: Creating a place to retreat

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mikefranks wrote:I have trying to work out a shelving system to store supplies on.
I think the best way to go is use the rafters for bulky items (food stores, toilet roll etc)... then use all the wall space like a tool shed. Any space above head height have "caravan style cupboards" (you know the ones that open towards the roof.... 8-)
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Re: Creating a place to retreat

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Plymtom wrote:
not sure how I will hide smoke, there must be a way of dissipating it though...
Check out Ray Mears, there's a show dedicated to those who escaped into a forest from the Germans, I think they piped it along the ground and released the smoke over such an area that it wasn't obvious, it's the heat from a chimney or a fire which sends up a column of smoke that is a giveaway, if you channel it along the ground it cools and stays low dispersing slowly.

What an excellent idea!
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DundeePrepper wrote:Thanks for responses to smoke problem guys.. few things to tryout..

As for the the outside "decor"... to age the building.. and make it look "ruined and empty", try a whitewash of yoghurt mixed 1:4 parts water. Creates a mould which encourages moss.. plant ivy asap! :tinfoil
And another great idea! Thanks. In fact I might try doing that on something soon to see how it goes.
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Re: Creating a place to retreat

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As for the the outside "decor"... to age the building.. and make it look "ruined and empty", try a whitewash of yoghurt mixed 1:4 parts water. Creates a mould which encourages moss.. plant ivy asap! :tinfoil[/quote]



I will try and do that too, sounds great, will be heading down there tomorrow to get some shelving and cupboards made, fingers crossed it all goes well.


Thanks

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Re: Creating a place to retreat

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As for the loo how about a composting toilet? No need for water just a few sackfulls' of sawdust,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composting_toilet

The end product being something (potentially) useful.
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Re: Creating a place to retreat

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Lots of good ideas here. When it comes to toilets, invest in a Porta Potti Qube 365:

http://www.thetford-europe.com/product/ ... -qube-365/

I fit these in my shelters. Composting toilets are good in open areas and so are potty latrines where you have to bag up solid waste BUT off gassing will occur...... Even through 3 tightly knotted poop bags! Gas will always force its way out. Not good for confined areas.

For cooking, use a simple alcohol stove. Trianga do the best but Go outdoors do decent and cheaper alternatives. Butane, propane remnants will sit on the shelter floor and fester. In a tight space it's really hard to get rid of the before and after smell. On that note, I'm assuming the ventilation is good!?

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Partimehero wrote:. Composting toilets are good in open areas and so are potty latrines where you have to bag up solid waste BUT off gassing will occur...... Even through 3 tightly knotted poop bags! Gas will always force its way out. Not good for confined areas.

For cooking, use a simple alcohol stove. Trianga do the best but Go outdoors do decent and cheaper alternatives. Butane, propane remnants will sit on the shelter floor and fester. In a tight space it's really hard to get rid of the before and after smell. On that note, I'm assuming the ventilation is good!?

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Personally I'd still go for a composting loo. A simple food grade plastic container with lid placed beneath a 'normal' loo seat.
eg http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-x-5-Litre-W ... 20bb2d4d9f
1 x 5 Litre White Plastic Bucket with white lid £2.29

As all us preppers know you can't have too many plastic buckets with lids. Indeed there is a website on the subject!!!
http://fivegallonideas.com/top-posts/

Place 1" Woodshavings on the base, use it then sprinkle handful of shavings on. When 3/4 full, couple of weeks, empty outside - preferably into a pre-dug hole so that worms can spread the benefits of your daily motions.
Those portaloos are not that robust, we had one in a camper van & with two of us required emptying every few days - and we didn't use it for No.2's! Also they require chemicals that 1. cost money & 2. cost money. Woodshavings are a (free) useful by-product assuming you cut your own logs.



I bought one of those alcohol stoves from Lidl a couple of years back - it was less than a tenner.
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Re: Creating a place to retreat

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Good points Triffid. Great subject first thing in the morning :D

The smell will eventually leave the bags and enter the protected area (if left for a little while). So if the smell is tolerable, then why not :)

Some Porta loos are as flimsy as poop but the one in my link is robust. The liquid you pour into these dissolve No.2s and break it down into a runny sludge. NICE!

I have a composting loo in my retreat along with a Porta loo and a hand dug latrine. Nothing like being prepared! :D :D
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Partimehero wrote: Great subject first thing in the morning :D

:D


I know what you mean. First posts of the day: Discussion regarding what to do with 'A Big Nasty' :lol:

Personally I wouldn't bother with disposable plastic bags but simply keep a loo bucket (with lid) and a couple of sawdust buckets again with lids. One improvement - assuming there would be more than one of you in your shelter- might be an improvised 'two or three sided shower curtain type arrangement' so that ones evacuations are not compulsive viewing for the delight and edification for your companions!*

* I understand part of SAS training is spending days living in LUP's (Lying Up Positions) - all evacuations have to be removed which involves a companion holding a plastic bag.......
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Re: Creating a place to retreat

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Stare and share alike Triffid but I'm not holding your bag! :D :D :D
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