weapons

[Plymtom]

I see where you're coming from there but asides from the bans of the 80s and 90s I figure licensing in the UK not too bad a system, I do believe if the firearms community (including the police) were given the repeated chance to fix the issues that let the few people who went off the rails and did the associated deeds ( please don't mention their infamous names unless you can name all their victims first) go undetected till it was too late, as industry/newspapers keep getting to fix faults which cause untold harm.

Even if we change our laws, to something like we are prone to believe (and are in many cases because it is not the same throughout, nor is it OK to shoot someone unless you feel your or your families life is under threat as apposed to their getting away with your telly) they have in the USA, we could not slacken our safe storage rules, nor at this stage allow people to carry firearms as freely, its a complex emotive subject that few Nations can claim to have right.

[Wingfoot]

Plymptom

As you say its an emotive subject & one that few understand properly, most people are influenced heavily by media bias & that includes gun owners themselves.

The bans imposed on UK citizens or should I say subjects were unjust & were knee jerk reaction politics of the worst kind, but fit the protecting government agenda quite nicely which unfortunately is why so many olympic shooters had their sport taken from them.

I dont subscribe to gun control at all & I dont see how this country can allow one type of gun to be owned when other types are prohibited, your either fit to have a gun or your not, as it stands in the UK currently all those who were compensated for the loss of their handguns simply used the money to buy inherently more accurate & higher powered rifles, the whole ban campaign was an exercise in political posturing & being seen to do "something" in the face of media outrage.

We live in a nanny state that gets worse by the day & we are taxed more & more for the privilage, governing over such a system is made easier if your subjects are poorly armed.

While you & I agree on some points I can never agree with you on the opinion that the UK has it about right.

Walk softly & carry a big stick.


Wf

[Plymtom]

While you & I agree on some points I can never agree with you on the opinion that the UK has it about right.

We may agree more than you think Wingfoot... it's the licensing/storage process and figuring out if one is responsible enough that I think we have about right, I am probably smack bang in your camp over what we can own.

[Wingfoot]

While you & I agree on some points I can never agree with you on the opinion that the UK has it about right.

We may agree more than you think Wingfoot... it's the licensing/storage process and figuring out if one is responsible enough that I think we have about right, I am probably smack bang in your camp over what we can own.

I agree !

Take care.

Wf

[londonercsecse]

Same opinion on lots of things gentlemen! Be safe!

[Manclife]

Firstly there is nothing stopping you keeping a baseball bat next to the front door in case your burgled etc. You don't need to have a glove and ball with it. You can have pretty much any weapon you like in your house it only becomes and issue when you have it in a public place. There's more info on banned items here

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... DS_FAQ.pdf

As far as I know You are wrong here with the baseball bat! It has to be a casualy picked item to defend yourself. Like a kitchen knife just happened to be there. Or if You are collecting baseball memorabilia...

Only if your in a public place. In your own home your allowed pretty much anything behind your door for the sole purpose of injuring bad guys (though the force would have to be proportionate).

[Plymtom]

Only if your in a public place. In your own home your allowed pretty much anything behind your door for the sole purpose of injuring bad guys (though the force would have to be proportionate).

Sounds vaguely familiar, is that from the recent changes in the law to restore the balance in favour of victims, and can you give us a link to it please, because if true that would help tremendously, I'd still be thinking on display or hidden away about it though, and I'm sure the reasonable force argument still applies either way, mind you a clear warning of "I feel my safety threatened by you go away/get out or I'll clobber you with this" especially with witnesses would work in your favour.

[Manclife]

Possessing an offensive weapon has always been the same. Is has only ever been committed in a public place, the rest is just urban myth and the daily mail that's implied otherwise.

Your referring to the changes in what is deemed proportionate use of force in a dwelling. Details of that are here.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/201 ... 43/enacted

[Plymtom]

Your referring to the changes in what is deemed proportionate use of force in a dwelling. Details of that are here.

Indeed I am Manclife and I've started a thread for reference to this as it crops up continually, often side-tracking a thread.
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8908&p=96194#p96194

Weapons as the OP called them whilst I prefer to call them something else have many uses.

A:- as a tool for hunting

B:- as a tool for competitive fun

C:- for self defence

D:- for attack

For both A and B it's fine to talk about them and stay legal,

For C it's grey or wrong depending on the item ( one would never get nor deserve in the current UK legal system a license for a firearm if you stated your reason for possessing it was self defence)

For D any implication that a person is willing to use force to obtain so much as a can of beans (and I respect that any of us given time could get that desperate) or "acquire" someone else's equipment to make themselves stronger, sit on the side of the fence that we wish to protect ourselves from, you could use the term "darkside prepper" I'll throw into the hat, a wolf in sheep's clothing, perhaps we shouldn't be surprised some think they are just being more intelligent thinking that way, many would go down that road through simple lack of choice, we still need to defend against them though.

[bettersafethansorry]

SHTF SCAVENGE:
I know the location of several fire arms across the country which depending on access and Law & Order Status i would attempt to acquire.

I know its away from a lot of peoples mindsets on here but i believe personal protection will be the main need when it comes down to social meltdown. So when it comes to the crunch i want more bolts that bread to survive.

I think the issue here is social meltdown is not the top of our mind set, preparedness across the board is, when you look at it that part of your post puts you as a part of the problem you wish to avoid, if you wish to eat in tough times - store food, if you wish to fight others for their food and go after someone else's firearms too improve your odds ... tool up, sorry mate but it doesn't look like your out to protect yourself at all, it looks like your intention is to threaten or harm others and take what they have to survive, indeed you sound more like the Zombie coming to get us, than the well defended prepper
You may have just worded it too quickly, but if I were the boys in blue looking at this transparent forum I may want to keep my eye on folk who make too many hints toward future ill intent, which is why the mods rightly say keep it legal in the here and now, being safe not sorry I'd make clear anything I have for sport or as a tool would only become a defensive weapon if under attack and never to be the aggressor or thief, I think the moral compass thing comes in here the use of the word "scavenge" can be taken different ways, for there are many types of scavengers, many who clear up, some who cheekily "share" a meal, then there are the Hyenas and the big cats, who will happily chase you off of your own hard work, even kill you for it.

Do forgive me if I sound too critical but I like most here, up to and as far after a catastrophe as possible intend to stay legal, and even after my moral compass will only be ignored if it's clear I'm up against someone who's thrown theirs away.. or didn't have a functioning one in the first place

you got me all wrong. the weapon locations are family legally owned firearms and attempt to acquire dependent on availability and transport as these are no where near me. as far as survival goes yes i will openly admit to doing anything to provide for my and my own but i would also look to build and raise community not steel and kill for no reason. The fact social breakdown will follow a major SHTF situation is the only reason i want more protection than a few arrows and a knife.

Quite insulted this was taken this way Ex-Military and I will always help others were possible. I have enough in now to last food for several months, can hunt small and large game (including trapping) & all members of immediate family have a BoB.