Paintball or BB?

[ForgeCorvus]

A .410 shotgun requires a shotgun certificate, these are easier to get then a FAC and you have fewer 'hoops' to jump through

Anyone over 18 can buy and hold air rifles of 12 Ft/lbs or less (only 6Ft/lbs for pistols) without any licence (anything over that needs an FAC...I think). Air rifles are capable of taking rabbits, provided you can shoot well enough.

Anyone over 18 can buy and hold bows and crossbows. At this time hunting with either of these in the UK is illegal, however both bows and crossbows are recognised hunting weapons in the US and some other countries.

BB guns are lower powered relations of real air guns.
Airsoft are the real looking ones that shoot plastic BBs.
Very important not to get the two confused

[Steveo82]

consider that a rimfire .22 pistol or rifle is not considered deadly in terms of a gun fight.

Tell that to some of the Cumbria victims or the 1000s of foxes that are shot and killed by .22LR rifles each year.
Even more on Wiki.
Because a .22 LR bullet is less powerful than larger cartridges, its danger to humans is often underestimated. In fact, a .22 LR bullet is capable of inflicting very serious injuries (e.g. the four people wounded during the Reagan assassination attempt) or death e.g. the Kauhajoki school shooting (11 killed and 1 wounded), the Jokela school shooting (8 killed and 1 wounded), or the 1979 Cleveland Elementary School shooting (2 killed and 8 wounded) as well as the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy. Numerous other shooting incidents have demonstrated that .22 LR bullets can easily kill or seriously injure humans.[7][8][9] Even after flying 400 yards (370 m), a .22 bullet is still traveling at approximately 500 ft/s (150 m/s).

[Plymtom]

Speaking of illegal archery/crossbow have a look at this ;_http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Man-arr ... story.html

I saw these deer once all grazing on a roundabout near those woods, magnificent beasts which like most of them are managed/culled properly, this idiot deserves more than he'll get

[Steveo82]

Speaking of illegal archery/crossbow have a look at this ;_http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Man-arr ... story.html

I saw these deer once all grazing on a roundabout near those woods, magnificent beasts which like most of them are managed/culled properly, this idiot deserves more than he'll get

I think these idiots are spread across the country. Every major city seems to have them. Near us they shot a tame pregnant Doe and left her to bleed to death
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Pregnant ... story.html

[Yorkshire Andy]

Air guns can have an effect though...

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Undefine ... story.html

if you remember that one steveo

[Steveo82]

Air guns can have an effect though...

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Undefine ... story.html

if you remember that one steveo

This one must of slipped me by. I've just read it. It made me laugh how the burglar rang the police

[Mustachio]

Air guns can have an effect though...

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Undefine ... story.html

if you remember that one steveo

This one must of slipped me by. I've just read it. It made me laugh how the burglar rang the police

Heh! Brilliant!

I must say though that nobody picked up on the fact that the burglar was shot in the back!! Lol

[Malthouse]

consider that a rimfire .22 pistol or rifle is not considered deadly in terms of a gun fight.

Tell that to some of the Cumbria victims or the 1000s of foxes that are shot and killed by .22LR rifles each year.
Even more on Wiki.
Because a .22 LR bullet is less powerful than larger cartridges, its danger to humans is often underestimated. In fact, a .22 LR bullet is capable of inflicting very serious injuries (e.g. the four people wounded during the Reagan assassination attempt) or death e.g. the Kauhajoki school shooting (11 killed and 1 wounded), the Jokela school shooting (8 killed and 1 wounded), or the 1979 Cleveland Elementary School shooting (2 killed and 8 wounded) as well as the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy. Numerous other shooting incidents have demonstrated that .22 LR bullets can easily kill or seriously injure humans.[7][8][9] Even after flying 400 yards (370 m), a .22 bullet is still traveling at approximately 500 ft/s (150 m/s).

For goodness sake, read my post! Do not just quote one line.

I said they are dangerous.

Specifically mentioned, even in the bit you chose to quote was the bit about "gun fight" do not quote fps after 400 yards.

[Steveo82]

For goodness sake, read my post! Do not just quote one line.

I said they are dangerous.

Specifically mentioned, even in the bit you chose to quote was the bit about "gun fight" do not quote fps after 400 yards.

I did read it and have re read it.
You stated a .22 rimfire pistol or rifle is not considered deadly in terms of a gun fight, they are dangerous but they won't stop an attacker they would only aggravate a bad guy or a copper. The only part of this statement to be true is the part about them been dangerous the rest is nonsense.

My consern about your statement is if a member reads this and manages to get his/her hands on a .22 they could gravly underestimate just how lethal this small calibre is.

[Malthouse]

My consern about your statement is if a member reads this and manages to get his/her hands on a .22 they could gravly underestimate just how lethal this small calibre is.

People need to take responsibility for their own actions, if someone is going to successfully seek a firearms certificate on the basis that "some bloke on the net said they were merely dangerous" then good luck to them! The system needs people like that to test it.

... consider that a rimfire .22 pistol or rifle is not considered deadly in terms of a gun fight. Sure, these rounds are dangerous, but they won't stop an attacker.

A .22 is highly unlikely to stop an attacker in their tracks.

A .22 is quite capable of killing someone.

A .22 weapon will probably elevate a situation, rather than end it.

A .22 weapons WILL illicit a deadly response from armed Police.

Most gun fights last 3 seconds, a .22 does not have the energy (see your own maths on the subject) to stop an attacker within that time.

Every single firearm is a deadly weapon, regardless of calibre, my postings do not suggest otherwise.

My posts on this thread have urged all members stay within the law and to remain on the moral high ground, why you chose to bring up foxes and massacres is a matter for your own reflection.

My point was and remains: Paintball and BB guns are not appropriate for either hunting or self defence. If you want to argue otherwise then please do so, but attacking my reasons for stating this fact as I see it do not help the OP.

The advice I gave stands: Get a shotgun licence and learn to use a .410 shotgun for the lawful purpose of hunting small game. A sustainable and justifiable pursuit.