EDC bag

[sion_1990]

you are right sniper_55 I do need a legitimate reason to carry them if the police do ever decide to do a stop and search. I do it as a hobby, I've always got the clear plastic practice lock in my bag at least, if not one or two other locks I've picked up around the place, this should be sufficient reason for carrying them
(unless the police catch me skulking around an industrial estate at 2am or something haha)

truth be told they aren't much use, there are many much easier ways of gaining entry to a place than spending an age picking the lock (and it can take a while), I use them to keep me occupied if I'm stuck somewhere with low cell battery or low signal areas, they take up less space than a good book and improve my fine motor skills.

[Hamradioop]

Can I just say that the lockpicks might get you into trouble if stopped by police, not intending to be a damper but personally I wouldn't risk carrying them.

The offence of going equipped for theft can be a serious allegation linked to accusations of burglary or theft. Going equipped is an offence defined by section 25 of the Theft Act 1968.

If you accused of going equipped, the Prosecution must show that you:

Had a tool or other article in your possession,
That tool was intended for use in the course of a burglary or theft, and
You were not at your home
What else are lock picks used for?

25 Going equipped for stealing, etc.

(1)A person shall be guilty of an offence if, when not at his place of abode, he has with him any article for use in the course of or in connection with any [F1burglary or theft]F1 .

(2)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall on conviction on indictment be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years.

(3)Where a person is charged with an offence under this section, proof that he had with him any article made or adapted for use in committing a [F2burglary or theft]F2 shall be evidence that he had it with him for such use.

(4)F3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

(5)For purposes of this section an offence under section 12(1) of this Act of taking a conveyance shall be treated as theft F4... .

[poppypiesdad]

It's very therapeutic. Love buying the cheap locks they can be harder than top notch locks

J



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[sion_1990]

I'm currently playing with a copy of my front door lock, it's reassuringly difficult. Though as I've mentioned, there are much easier ways of gaining entry somewhere anyway...

Regarding the going equipped worry, I'd need to attract their attention and give them a reason to stop and search me first, but I don't make a habit of acting suspiciously. (or indeed acting illegally, I'm far too concerned about my liberty to risk that sort of thing) Then if they decided to stop and search me they'd have to prove in court that I had them in my bag with the intent of using them to gain illegal entry or for other illegal reasons, such examples they could use would be along the lines of loitering around at unsociable hours, while trespassing, having a previous conviction where I used a similar method, or indeed being caught in the act. Having a practice lock in my bag gives me a legit reason to carry them.

It's much like the carrying knives that aren't UK legal carry, wandering around in the middle of the night with a lock-knife in your pocket looks like you're up to no good. Wandering around in the middle of the day with it buried in your back-pack somewhere would look a lot less suspicious.

[sion_1990]

And as always, the attitude you play with any police officer can make a massive difference, always friendly and polite

[Citizen H]

Hey Fella,

your covering all the bases without getting overloaded, from what I have read you've learnt from experience (good show) yes there may be items Id remove and add others, but its your kit and like mine I feel more confident to move around this world carrying what I carry, Consider a pair of surgical gloves (medical emergency's) and hand sanitizer..... I have a small bottle that I carry.....its first use is obvious, its other purposes is that its flammable (doubles up a fire lighter)..... it contain alcohol so it useful for sterilising cuts (but you will know about it!) finally bare in mind, you can seal a wound with super glue.... only be advised DIY glue contains arsenic, where as medical super glue doesn't.... for my sins I use DIY super glue... and I'm still here

Be Safe an all the very best Citizen "H"

[Deeps]

Hey Fella,

your covering all the bases without getting overloaded, from what I have read you've learnt from experience (good show) yes there may be items Id remove and add others, but its your kit and like mine I feel more confident to move around this world carrying what I carry, Consider a pair of surgical gloves (medical emergency's) and hand sanitizer..... I have a small bottle that I carry.....its first use is obvious, its other purposes is that its flammable (doubles up a fire lighter)..... it contain alcohol so it useful for sterilising cuts (but you will know about it!) finally bare in mind, you can seal a wound with super glue.... only be advised DIY glue contains arsenic, where as medical super glue doesn't.... for my sins I use DIY super glue... and I'm still here

Be Safe an all the very best Citizen "H"

How many times have you super glued yourself ? While I'm aware that its an option I've never cut myself so badly that I'd go for the super glue over a plaster or bandage. I've always taken it to be a last resort type thing for V serious cuts or the like. Just curious really.

[sniper 55]

I've superglued myself several times... not in combat, or from serious cuts... I'm just murder with the stuff, managed to stick a VERY expensive bit of delicate shiny kit to the table one day. (yeah that went down well)
Honestly if your bleeding out and you need me to superglue you I might stop the bleeding but it'll take ages to get you unstuck from whatever your on..

[Jamesey1981]

Some DIY glues contain arsenic, I think all, including the medical glues also contain cyanide, (it comes out on the vapour as the cyanoacrylate decays I think, I'm a little rusty here though!) the amount that you would use would never come anywhere near a lethal dose though, for cyanide (that everyone thinks is a hugely poisonous chemical thanks to the old war film cyanide pills) it takes a good teaspoon full of the sodium cyanide that's used in mining to refine gold to kill you, and that's on a much higher concentration than any glue, and anything under that is swiftly dealt with by a system that's well adapted to dealing with it since it's in many plants, the same for arsenic, needs a fair bit to kill you, as it's a naturally occurring heavy metal that your body is used to dealing with, it will build up in your system and cause untold problems but you're not using much glue!
If you use much more than a millilitre of glue then you probably should have had stitches.

Wouldn't be good for you to do it every day, but DIY glue is never going to do you any harm by using it for the odd deep cut, and if you're using it often enough that it will be a problem then you need to be more careful because the glue is the least of your worries!

I have used superglue to close a cut, stings pretty bad if you get it in the wound but not as bad as cayenne pepper! The idea with super glue in an emergency (not in a&e, those people are trained!) is to use it to stick the skin on either side of the wound together, not to squirt it into the wound directly, and if you have steri strips, use them instead.

[Deeps]

I've superglued myself several times... not in combat, or from serious cuts... I'm just murder with the stuff, managed to stick a VERY expensive bit of delicate shiny kit to the table one day. (yeah that went down well)
Honestly if your bleeding out and you need me to superglue you I might stop the bleeding but it'll take ages to get you unstuck from whatever your on..

I think most blokes have a super glue/fingers/table type etc story or two, I know I have.

Some DIY glues contain arsenic, I think all, including the medical glues also contain cyanide, (it comes out on the vapour as the cyanoacrylate decays I think, I'm a little rusty here though!) the amount that you would use would never come anywhere near a lethal dose though, for cyanide (that everyone thinks is a hugely poisonous chemical thanks to the old war film cyanide pills) it takes a good teaspoon full of the sodium cyanide that's used in mining to refine gold to kill you, and that's on a much higher concentration than any glue, and anything under that is swiftly dealt with by a system that's well adapted to dealing with it since it's in many plants, the same for arsenic, needs a fair bit to kill you, as it's a naturally occurring heavy metal that your body is used to dealing with, it will build up in your system and cause untold problems but you're not using much glue!
If you use much more than a millilitre of glue then you probably should have had stitches.

Wouldn't be good for you to do it every day, but DIY glue is never going to do you any harm by using it for the odd deep cut, and if you're using it often enough that it will be a problem then you need to be more careful because the glue is the least of your worries!

I have used superglue to close a cut, stings pretty bad if you get it in the wound but not as bad as cayenne pepper! The idea with super glue in an emergency (not in a&e, those people are trained!) is to use it to stick the skin on either side of the wound together, not to squirt it into the wound directly, and if you have steri strips, use them instead.

Thanks for the science, as I said I know it CAN be used, I think it was used in Vietnam for blocking up big holes in people not for the 'paper cut' end of the spectrum. I carry a few plasters about with me in my 'Mary Poppins bag' like wallet and a beefier FAK if I think I'll need it, I do keep field dressings in my FAK's but no glue. I'm just interested in someone using it, I would imagine it would hurt like buggery when its being removed.