Back to nature...

[Vitamin c]

https://news.mongabay.com/2023/03/rewil ... te-report/

Rewilding
Returning parts of the planet to a pre human time ,ie letting nature do its thing ,with a little nudge from us.
Good idea
Bad idea

Discuss...

[Frnc]

Good, obviously. We have to do what we can. Every bit helps. But I'm afraid I'm not very optimisic. The stark reality is this...

"We, therefore, suggest that the Earth System may already have passed one “fork in the road” of potential pathways..."

"we suggest that biogeophysical feedback processes within the Earth System coupled with direct human degradation of the biosphere may play a more important role than normally assumed, limiting the range of potential future trajectories and potentially eliminating the possibility of the intermediate trajectories. We argue that there is a significant risk that these internal dynamics, especially strong nonlinearities in feedback processes, could become an important or perhaps, even dominant factor in steering the trajectory that the Earth System actually follows over coming centuries."

"This risk is represented in Figs. 1 and 2 by a planetary threshold (horizontal broken line in Fig. 1 on the Hothouse Earth pathway around 2 °C above preindustrial temperature). Beyond this threshold, intrinsic biogeophysical feedbacks in the Earth System (Biogeophysical Feedbacks) could become the dominant processes controlling the system’s trajectory."

A bit of warming triggers around 16 different feedbacks. Eg melting tundra releases CO2 and methane. Less ice = less sunlight reflected away. Warmer oceans absorb less CO2. These kick in between about 1 and 5° warming.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1810141115

[Frnc]

Pretty good graphic in this tweet
https://twitter.com/RARohde/status/1331612773541941254

[Arzosah]

https://news.mongabay.com/2023/03/rewil ... te-report/

Rewilding
Returning parts of the planet to a pre human time ,ie letting nature do its thing ,with a little nudge from us.
Good idea
Bad idea

Discuss...

Why don't you have a go at it yourself, vit c?

[jansman]

Returning the planet - or parts of it- to ‘pre - human’ times, is a good idea. It won’t happen though. We have to keep looking for resources,end of. It’s the human way unfortunately.

Put it on a personal level. Today we have food being delivered . Some will be imported of course. All of it has taken Diesel to produce and transport. Indeed it is Diesel or petrol that brings it to us. Were I still able to drive ,we would have a second car still,and one of us would have gone shopping. Either way, it takes fossil fuels. Our house is all electric,aside from the solid fuel stoves. There are very few houses with no electricity in the First World. It has to be generated by fossil fuels,and if ‘ renewable’, even that gear needs fossil fuels. Indeed later,I have a delivery of smokeless coal coming in. Delivered by diesel,manufactured with imported anthracite. Much of our natural gas is now imported too. Even solar and wind generated electricity is created using imported equipment. Using diesel.

Right now I am revamping our kitchen. The units are plastic coated of course; a design decades old. It’s the same in the majority of homes. The paints I have used in there are manufactured using fossil fuels. Right now my wife is making a UK favourite- tea! It’s imported of course. The electric may be *renewable* or maybe not…

My brother commented about Climate Protesters. How did they travel to their points of protest? How do they justify the synthetic clothing and footwear they use? Are their home unheated? Lacking electricity? You get the idea…

Going back to nature ,the human race? Nah!

Some inside their heads maybe. The rest of the human race will work and fight to survive, using what is known by us as ‘Nature’.

[Frnc]

Returning the planet - or parts of it- to ‘pre - human’ times, is a good idea. It won’t happen though. We have to keep looking for resources,end of. It’s the human way unfortunately.

Put it on a personal level. Today we have food being delivered . Some will be imported of course. All of it has taken Diesel to produce and transport. Indeed it is Diesel or petrol that brings it to us. Were I still able to drive ,we would have a second car still,and one of us would have gone shopping. Either way, it takes fossil fuels. Our house is all electric,aside from the solid fuel stoves. There are very few houses with no electricity in the First World. It has to be generated by fossil fuels,and if ‘ renewable’, even that gear needs fossil fuels. Indeed later,I have a delivery of smokeless coal coming in. Delivered by diesel,manufactured with imported anthracite. Much of our natural gas is now imported too. Even solar and wind generated electricity is created using imported equipment. Using diesel.

Right now I am revamping our kitchen. The units are plastic coated of course; a design decades old. It’s the same in the majority of homes. The paints I have used in there are manufactured using fossil fuels. Right now my wife is making a UK favourite- tea! It’s imported of course. The electric may be *renewable* or maybe not…

My brother commented about Climate Protesters. How did they travel to their points of protest? How do they justify the synthetic clothing and footwear they use? Are their home unheated? Lacking electricity? You get the idea…

Going back to nature ,the human race? Nah!

Some inside their heads maybe. The rest of the human race will work and fight to survive, using what is known by us as ‘Nature’.

Synthetic clothing isn't necessarily less ecological. A pair of jeans requires 7,500–10,000 litres of water, about 10 years’ worth of drinking water for one person. A lot of gear made for climbers and backpackers these days uses recycled synthetics/plastic. For instance Primaloft (one of the top insulation brands) is made from recycled plastic bottles collected from landfill and the oceans. They reckon they've cut their carbon emissions by 95%. They make products designed to last a lifetime/generation, and are recyclable. In general, it is true that synthetic clothes cause more CO2 emissions than cotton, just over twice as much. Recycled polyester releases half to a quarter of the emissions of virgin polyester. So recycled polyester can cause less CO2 than cotton. Rab aim to be net zero by 2030. https://rab.equipment/media/wysiwyg/jou ... hic-2x.png 63% of their fabrics were made from recycled materials in 2020.
But of course there are other factors like how often you buy, how many you have, how long you keep them, do you chuck them in landfill, give away, sell, or recycle. Other factors: a recycled polyester jacket made in the UK needs less transport than jeans made in Indonesia from cotton grown in India. One of the worst things is fashion, and people buying stuff they never wear. Or throwing clothes into landfill wheelie bins.

[Frnc]

Returning the planet - or parts of it- to ‘pre - human’ times, is a good idea. It won’t happen though. We have to keep looking for resources,end of. It’s the human way unfortunately.

Put it on a personal level. Today we have food being delivered . Some will be imported of course. All of it has taken Diesel to produce and transport. Indeed it is Diesel or petrol that brings it to us. Were I still able to drive ,we would have a second car still,and one of us would have gone shopping. Either way, it takes fossil fuels. Our house is all electric,aside from the solid fuel stoves. There are very few houses with no electricity in the First World. It has to be generated by fossil fuels,and if ‘ renewable’, even that gear needs fossil fuels. Indeed later,I have a delivery of smokeless coal coming in. Delivered by diesel,manufactured with imported anthracite. Much of our natural gas is now imported too. Even solar and wind generated electricity is created using imported equipment. Using diesel.

Right now I am revamping our kitchen. The units are plastic coated of course; a design decades old. It’s the same in the majority of homes. The paints I have used in there are manufactured using fossil fuels. Right now my wife is making a UK favourite- tea! It’s imported of course. The electric may be *renewable* or maybe not…

My brother commented about Climate Protesters. How did they travel to their points of protest? How do they justify the synthetic clothing and footwear they use? Are their home unheated? Lacking electricity? You get the idea…

Going back to nature ,the human race? Nah!

Some inside their heads maybe. The rest of the human race will work and fight to survive, using what is known by us as ‘Nature’.

Synthetic clothing isn't necessarily less ecological. A pair of jeans requires 7,500–10,000 litres of water, about 10 years’ worth of drinking water for one person. A lot of gear made for climbers and backpackers these days uses recycled synthetics/plastic. For instance Primaloft (one of the top insulation brands) is made from recycled plastic bottles collected from landfill and the oceans. They reckon they've cut their carbon emissions by 95%. They make products designed to last a lifetime/generation, and are recyclable. In general, it is true that synthetic clothes cause more CO2 emissions than cotton, just over twice as much. Recycled polyester releases half to a quarter of the emissions of virgin polyester. So recycled polyester can cause less CO2 than cotton. Rab aim to be net zero by 2030. https://rab.equipment/media/wysiwyg/jou ... hic-2x.png
63% of their fabrics were made from recycled materials in 2020. Obviously climbers do damage their gear from time to time. You can send gear to them to be repaired, even washed, to make it last a lifetime. They also sell gear they've patched up. Last year, they repaired and washed over 13,000 items.
But of course there are other factors like how often you buy, how many you have, how long you keep them, do you chuck them in landfill, give away, sell, or recycle. Other factors: a recycled polyester jacket made in the UK needs less transport than jeans made in Indonesia from cotton grown in India. One of the worst things is fashion, and people buying stuff they never wear. Or throwing clothes into landfill wheelie bins.

These companies have all sorts going on if you look at their websites. Eg, Montane. https://montane.com/pages/sustainability
They even tell you to wash your gear as infequently as possible "to reduce water consumption, limit microfibre shedding and extend the lifetime of your garment". And " Catch the microfibres: Research has shown that front-loading washing machines reduce the number of microfibres shed during a wash cycle. To further reduce this consider using a GUPPYFRIEND washing bag or a Cora Ball to catch the microfibres and prevent them from contaminating waterways."

I clicked on the first men's item on their website, an insulated jacket. "100% recycled PERTEX® QUANTUM ECO outer with PFC-free DWR" "100% recycled PEAQ Down ECO lining with PFC-free DWR" "Responsible Down Standard (RDS) and Track my Down™ certified"
Second item, long sleeved t-shirt "100% recycled APEX ECO fabric".
3rd "100% Organic cotton t-shirt"
5th "100% Recycled Barrier RS Eco outer and lining in the main body
Insulation technology
100% recycled Primaloft® Black ThermoPlume Insulation in the core body, hood and overarms outer layer
100% recycled 25g/m2 Primaloft® Silver Insulation in the core body, hood and overarms inner layer
100% recycled 40g/m2 Primaloft® Silver Insulation over the shoulders "

[Vitamin c]

https://news.mongabay.com/2023/03/rewil ... te-report/

Rewilding
Returning parts of the planet to a pre human time ,ie letting nature do its thing ,with a little nudge from us.
Good idea
Bad idea

Discuss...

Why don't you have a go at it yourself, vit c?
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OK thanks for the opportunity

I aggree with the general concept, as a long time hgv driver iv seen much more of Britain than most .
Driving in rural areas you pass thick hedges ,rows of trees but with the hight of your truck it's easy to see that our countryside is just fields either the same few crops breeds of pigs ,cattle sheep from lands end to John o groats the plants and live stock inbred to ensure best financial outcome the only land not used is the most unproductive bog or mountain.

Britain was covered in oak forest most of which were cropped for shipbuilding those forests were teaming with life ,look at us now no real life out their except farm animals.

If we are going to survive we must change.

As it's holiday season if you are flying LOOK out of your window on take off /landing and you
will see it large fields one after another across the UK.

Their is almost no wild land in Britain
This must change if that means people blocking roads /runways/train lines to make a point and to push a non committed government into action.

Good for them .

[Frnc]

Even solar and wind generated electricity is created using imported equipment. Using diesel.

Total life cycle emissions is well established.
Life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions of energy sources

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycl ... gy_sources

[jansman]

Interesting charts… however,a few clothing companies suggesting that you wash the stuff less or that they make it with trashed pop bottles only do it to seem ‘green’.

Mankind will continue to look for fossil fuels and farm and put housing out there,and generally take what is available until it runs out. That’s how it is.How it will be.

I don’t consider myself climate friendly,nor do I feel guilty about it. I have to wear clothes ,whatever they are made of and how much energy or water they take. I have food that’s a combination of UK and global. Fine. Keeping warm too ,as I look after Number 1 and family. I am a survivor.

I’ve said this before,and now again. Anyone who gets shirty or on a high horse about climate change- like the protesters,need to have a word with themselves. Before telling folks *how* to live,and how bad they are because of it,they need to show it. That means a home with no gas ,electricity nor even wood burning. No running water ( it takes fuel to pump uphill and chemicals to be clean) ,no purchased ANYTHING- it takes fossil fuels etc., no car or bus. Not even a bicycle,as that needs fossil fuel to make and even maintain. You can only eat what you grow,or can find within walking distance - and make sure your plants and seeds are produced from plants gone to seed. Actual seed and plant purchases need fossil fuels to produce. Anyone so concerned about ecological issues should be living like that to prove we all can to save our planet.

If a climate protester or high - horsed ecological preacher can live like that,then we will too. But that won’t happen,as we all like comfort. I certainly do.