My Backup Power Projects...

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My Backup Power Projects...

Post by newtonweir »

Hi all,

My first proper post here, I hope you find it interesting. I've included several videos to illustrate what I'm up to.

One of the things I'm into is restoring old stationary engines, you may have seen the sort of thing at village shows, agricultural events, steam rallies and such like. Usually they are laid out in a line with their proud owners stood behind them, while the engine dutifully drives a pump shifting water from one bucket to another all day long.

That's not really what I do, I just like working on engines.

If recent headlines are to be believed, and I think they should be, the lights are going to go out in three years time. Im sure everyone here is well aware of these news reports. We are heading towards a power shortage, it cant be denied.

So, to do something with my little engine fleet, I've been working on producing electricity.
This first video shows a 1937 Lister D which I restored, in this video I show how I reconditioned an old Lucas C40 dynamo, and lo and behold, I managed to light a headlight bulb with it :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j63fTSVHA8o

So the thing worked, but I wanted to do something a bit more useful than lighting one bulb!
In this next video, with the addition of a motorcycle battery and a 500W inverter, the set up runs a TV :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih59RC_HaOs

These little Lister Ds are fantastic, they will run all day long - provided there is water in the hopper (cooled by evaporation), and fuel in the tank (they use hardly anything). This engine spent its life running a root cutter, its already done an awful lot of work, and now if the power goes off, it will light my garage.

Now, just after I finished this project I resurrected a lawnmower from the back of the garage. I had a spare Lucas 17ACR alternator (alternators are better than dynamos), so I decided that after restoring the alternator (new electrics), that I would drive the alternator from the lawnmower. I did this using all scrap-box items, and the only thing I had to actually buy was the alternator refurb kit.
You will see in this video of the project that although we're only using the same 500W inverter and the same little motorcycle battery, that there is plenty of room beneath the engine to fit two car batteries and a larger inverter. Here is the video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozUwXoIovV0

So, that's a more useful power source. But I need more juice! Fortunately I found (yes, I really did FIND this) a Lister SR1 single cylinder air cooled diesel. After a negotiation with the farmer, he delivered it to me for £120. This sort of engine can run on filtered used vegetable oil, and to this end, I have purchased a 200l tank which will become the fuel tank.
Anyway, here is the work it took to get the engine running :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLSZv-tdmOk
Its a very reliable engine. I have acquired through an auction site a 2.2kVA alternator which is basically brand new, and todays project is to weld up a box steel engine trolley to mount the two things on. I have had pulleys machined by a friend to give the right 'gearing' to translate the engines default 1600rpm to the alternators required 3000rpm to ensure we get a nice 50Hz mains output. This will yield 9A at 240V or 20A at 110V.
Here is the engine on its temporary trolley, and the alternator in front on the beginnings of its mounting framework :

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My mind has now turned to noise. Obviously we don't want people turning up in a blackout asking for power. I have no problem helping out our elderly neighbours. Everyone down our road is either retired or octogenarian, and I don't mind lighting or heating one room from my projects for them. But, how to conceal the generators? My garages is well secure, but the problem is noise and fumes. I need to get the fumes out of the garage and keep the noise in. I have ideas about this, but I'll save that for another day.

I hope someone, somewhere found this interesting in some way.

Regards all,

Steven.
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Post by soutie »

looks really good , i wish i understood more about electricity generation , it all seems a bit daunting . i would end up blowing things up :lol:
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very cool project
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Great but what if no fuel to power them , would a small steam engine be roughly the same size ?

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One horsepower steam engine http://home.earthlink.net/~dlaw70/1hpapic.htm
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17 inches long

12 inches wide

8 inches high

approximately 50 pounds


How big is a Lister D engine ?
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Post by newtonweir »

Hi,

Thanks for the replies guys.

Well, firstly, ForgeCorvus, a Lister D is considerably bigger, as I'm sure you know. However, what you have posted a picture of will do nothing on its own. Where is the boiler? Where is the firebox? Where is the coal bunker? OK, it will provide 1hp, but not on its own (depends on the boiler you plumb into it). A nice bit of model engineering for sure, I wish I had the skills and patience to make such a lovely thing, but as far as backup power goes, I know where my money is.

Poppypiesdad, you a right, there are limiting factors. As I see it, fuel availability, and battery capacity.

As I said, the Lister SR1 project will have a 200l fuel take of veg oil, its own built in fuel tank of about 210l will have diesel for starting the engine, and then a 3-way-tap will enable switching between diesel and used veg oil once the engine is hot. If I can get a couple of hundred litres of used veg oil from the local takeaway for £25 then I'm happy. If this engine can provide 9A at 240V for a fortnight off that, then I can heat and light one room, charge a phone (if network available), or run a CB or PMR446 radio for comms. I could run a microwave and TV too, but not all at the same time. So two weeks of power outage, and I have hot food, comms, heat (enough to stop pipes bursting, if not enough for comfort), I have TV (for news, not entertainment). That starts me off in a good position.

The cars fuel could be scavenged for more fuel, or the veg oil in the genny could be used for transport.

Regeads,

S.
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Post by freezedry11 »

Here the rainy season has started, and we often experience power blackouts. Thanks to my fuel powered power generator that keep our house lighted.
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Depending on the model roughly about the same that I've seen at various shows , is this available ?

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Post by The-Great-Nothing »

Hi

Nice work.

In terms of running out of fuel - how about looking into making a wood gasifier to run the petrol engines :)

Cheers

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Post by Hamradioop »

OK boys and girls, here it is: an affordable motor grade wood gasifer kit for engines 5-20 HP.

http://www.allpowerlabs.org/gasification/gek/index.html

a video of a lister running on wood Gas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpoA5nYkwCk
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