Vehicle prep

[snelo85]

I didn't say I don't think its a possibility myself, and I've done plenty of research. My question to you was how likely do YOU think it is. The answer seems to be, very likely.
If I woke up tomorrow and a loaf of bread was £300 I'd bake my own. If I lived in a large city I'd move now, not wait until some disaster hit and then try and leave with tens of thousands of others doing the same.
This isn't necessarily directed at you but I've read post after post where people seem to have some idyllic mad max style ideology that we're pending imminent doom and they'd fight their way out of a city, taking their family and loved ones with them and go and live in the countryside.
If you truly believe what you say, why stay where you are? Why not make life changing decisions now and protect your family?

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This is very true
however i am not in a fincial postition to up and move into the sticks
if i had the money i would without a second thought

i live a bout 1mile from the city center and things are goioing to MAD if things turn sour

moving is one of my top priorities

but with my thoughts on social collapse etc
i have gooten my family into a few new hobbies which are great for family time
so if nothing happens we have some new hobbies and bonded as a family unit

[beer999]

. i have gooten my family into a few new hobbies which are great for family time
so if nothing happens we have some new hobbies and bonded as a family unit

. Excellent no down side.

[MizerD]

Just had a thought after reading about the concerns of cross-country travel without using roads, well we could utilize the next best thing. A steel highway.

I wonder if there are ways of buying the rail network surplus and out of date vehicles, because I'd love one of these as a BOV

http://www.zagro.de/images/zagro/zweiwe ... anlage.jpg

Avoid the cheese string carparks and hop on a line sure there wont be many cars on there plus if there's anything in your way... drive round it.

Good idea?

[Tiercel]

Just had a thought after reading about the concerns of cross-country travel without using roads, well we could utilize the next best thing. A steel highway.

I wonder if there are ways of buying the rail network surplus and out of date vehicles, because I'd love one of these as a BOV

http://www.zagro.de/images/zagro/zweiwe ... anlage.jpg

Avoid the cheese string carparks and hop on a line sure there wont be many cars on there plus if there's anything in your way... drive round it.

Good idea?

Good idea...

until you meet a train coming the other way.

I wouldnt consider trying to use railways unless you knew what you were doing and know about them. Which line is the up line? Which is the down line? Is there a third (electrified) rail around the corner? Are trains still running? What does that sign mean? What do those overhead signals mean? Are trains still running? Are you going with the flow or against it?

Also you will play merry hell with the automated signalling system, which could interfere with any emergency services using the rail network.

I worked on the railways for a while

[MizerD]

Wow a lot of good points there that i hadn't considered, I need to do some digging.

Train lines have signs?! O.o

[Tiercel]

Wow a lot of good points there that i hadn't considered, I need to do some digging.

Train lines have signs?! O.o

Yep, theyre there to tell train drivers things like speed limits, track gradients - the kinda stuff you need to know to prevent de-railing. Also when you get to things like junctions and track switching points, pretty much all of them are controlled digitally now from a central location in each area. Some still have manual override levers, but do you know which way the points need to be facing to get you to your destination?

Also railways can actually detect when things are on them and pinpoint the exact position, network rail and Brit Transport Police would be after you very quick, unless of course its a major SHTF and theyve got bigger things to worry about.

[grenfell]

Have you even considered the possibility of staying at home? Where are you going to go?

How likely is worldwide financial collapse and what would be the impact to you and your family? Like you said, I think you have a lot of thinking to do.


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the Likely hood of complete financial collapse is very likely
the banks around the world are printing money to try and get on top of the MASSIVE DEBT around the world
this is called "funny money" and basically the more they print the lower the value of it and therefore inflation goes up to counter it

a few months ago america nearly had to close their government due to having no money
if this actually happens it would De-stabilise the entire worlds economy
and history show this has happened to other civilisations
so from my point of view is the most realistic end of life as we know it situation

(my suggestion is for you to look into this yourself i have found enough to think this is a real possiblity in the next 5-10 years)

so how it effects me is
the value of all money everywhere is constantly decreasing
my only realistic option to protect my family is to get out of the city

There have been 3 economic revolution Agricultural, Industrial and transport. ..........The chance of a dramatic increase in inflation is close to nil.

There are many things to prepare for that is not one of them

I do believe that there are bigger economic problems ahead , indeed I tend to believe we have already started the slide a sort of slow motion car crash but I don't see it causing the need to bug out on any sort of mass scale. A good parallel would probably be mid west states of America in the 30's. People did up sticks and leave as crops failed and money ran out but it was on a more individual basis as their "own SHTF"
In all honesty if economic meltdown is one's main fear then preps to allow staying put and riding it out would make more sense , filling any spare ground with food crops and that sort of thing.

[MizerD]

but do you know which way the points need to be facing to get you to your destination?

Also railways can actually detect when things are on them and pinpoint the exact position

Wouldn't matter would it because if the track splits put the steelies away and drive the way I want and then deploy steelies again. And no I didn't know that either O.o how do they do that then? I have only payed attention to the tracks up here when I occasionally "navigate" them to shorten my trips, and there is just the two multi lengths of steel track. No cables or anything.

[Tiercel]

Wouldn't matter would it because if the track splits put the steelies away and drive the way I want and then deploy steelies again. And no I didn't know that either O.o how do they do that then? I have only payed attention to the tracks up here when I occasionally "navigate" them to shorten my trips, and there is just the two multi lengths of steel track. No cables or anything.

But how do you know which track to follow? They dont put road signs on railways

They track trains/other vehicles using railways by electrifying ALL rails... every single inch of railyway is electrified, though only carrying a very small current - I dont remember the exact figures but its something similar to a 12v battery. The wheels of railway vehicles conduct the current between the rails and effectively shorting the circuit, which causes the signals behind the train to go red or amber, so any trains behind know theres a train infront of them. In an emergency if railway workers want to stop oncoming trains, the equipment they use is similar to a set of car jump cables, clip one side to each rail (or if all else fails even something as simple as a metal tape measure or scaffolding pole, anything conductive will do, just connect the rails) and itll make all the signals in the area go red to stop trains, and itll cause the local network rail control centre to shit their pants!

If you ever are for whatever reason travelling on rails, heres what the signals mean:

Green - tracks ahead clear
Single amber - prepare to slow down, train ahead, within 5 miles
double amber - slow down, train ahead, within 2 miles
red - stop, train ahead within 1 mile.
double/flashing red - EMERGENCY BRAKES NOW!

[Hamradioop]

the railway rule book, what every railman has to know http://www.traindriver.net/rulebook1.html