group survival?

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J23
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lonewolf wrote:you (and others) may not think any serious SHTF will ever happen, that's is of course your perogitive, but do you want to take the chance? I mean wouldn't it be better to at least plan for something in the hope that it never happens, rather than not planning and it does? I believe that with more and more people on the planet and with ever dwindling resources something will finally have to give, maybe it wont happen for awhile but on the other hand maybe it will? who knows? I'd rather be thought a fool when it dosent happen than be caught without supplies or a plan when it does. you "pays your money and you takes your choice" as the saying goes.
world is changing all the time, empires rose and fell, and people still live. I believe that European civilisation the way we know it now will fall, but people will still live. the fall will be caused probably due to economic reasons - basicly governments will stop supporting lazy parasites by giving them money and houses, there will be no gay parades, no tolerance for other religions etc at least not the way we see it now, no free education, no free healthcare, no state pensions, nothing for free as governments can't borrow money forever to keep it this way - but still I bet it will take tens of years to get to this point. That's why I prioritise paying of mortgage as fast as possible and attempt to invest rather than prepp on a massive scale by topping up my fridge and cupboard, buying all the expensive stuff etc, and think that 1 month supplies will do for me, rest will depend on skills, fitness etc
and remember - wealthy people have it easier ;-)
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J23 wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
J23 wrote:
easy in rural location, try to do so in dense area ;-) That's why I prefer to stick to somebody than be on my own - even if I think SHTF on massive long term scale won't happen it is better to be prepared a bit
I don't think highly populated areas will be much good for long term survival post SHTF, once the food deliveries and petrol stop being delivered and the water stops being pumped through the mains and the sewers start backing up, and the roads aren't mended or cleared. I leave the rest to your imagination!! :)
I agree, but what is the possibility of such bad SHTF scenario? IMO very little. you would need disaster on massive scale rather than something else.
FYI people adapt better than you think when they have to. Try reading a bit about Eastern Europe people sent to Siberia as a punishment. Travelling few weeks by train in cow's cars and then left there sometimes with nothing. and they had to survive and often they were people who never worked before due to their social status
this one is about people sent there during WWII and I bet in XIX century it was way worse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leCKOvgahSY

I agree, we are not going to get some mass die off unless you have something like a nuclear exchange or some super caldera blows and in both scenario's we're all potentially stuffed regardless of preps. Virus outbreaks could prove problematic but again its doubtful, very doubtful it would reach even the comparatively high infection rate of the 'black death' (30% - 50%) and that was spread over decades of infection. Modern understanding of virus infection and its control has truly given us a head start should something new crop up.

Just my opinion but the biggest threat we realistically face IMHO is the change in weather patterns which have and could play merry balls with UK farming.
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J23
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rik_uk3 wrote: Just my opinion but the biggest threat we realistically face IMHO is the change in weather patterns which have and could play merry balls with UK farming.
has it ever happen in the past in UK?

I know in Australia there are places where farmland is worth next to nothing as they had no rain for years but they have different climate

regarding to all this global warming - imo and opinion of many people including scientists it is big con to rip people off
after swine flu and all this BS that millions of people will die if they won't take vaccinations I don't believe mainstream news that try to scare people to get their money
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J23 wrote:regarding to all this global warming - imo and opinion of many people including scientists it is big con to rip people off
And in the opinion of many people, nothing really bad will happen. Something will always turn up to sort it out. So why prep?
SHTF around 2017.
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There are thousands of acres of farmland still pretty much unusable because of last years floods and will need several years to recover. There is climate change occurring but whether that is 'man made' or just mother gaia playing up is unproven (for me at least).

Prepping for me is just that, being prepared and not a way of life or a lifestyle I'll let rule me and I'll never dwell or hope for any major collapse whatever its trigger may be...however I will be prepared though to deal with most events other than non survivable ones like nuclear exchange or super caldera eruption.

I look at prepping as a hobby, albeit a potentially very useful one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab2WQuOqXJw will be my next project if I can source the empty tins in the UK or Europe.
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people prep for different things, as I've said before I think I'm more of a survivalist than a prepper, I am planning for the unexpected, I do not believe in the "it will never happen" scenario, I like to be prepared for any and all eventualities no matter how remote, and I know I'm not the only one. the following might help someone: http://www.tacticalintelligence.net/wp- ... al-new.pdf
Adapt or Die, there is no middle ground.
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That canning machine is brilliant! Please report back if you find one? You could buy in bulk which is so much cheaper. Love that idea!!!
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Decaff wrote:That canning machine is brilliant! Please report back if you find one? You could buy in bulk which is so much cheaper. Love that idea!!!
The machine is not the problem, I've one in the UK for £150 or I could import a new one from the States for around a grand which again is not an issue really as It would be used by three families in total...its the supply of empty cans which is the problem. I'm waiting on help from a Mormon chum in the UK.
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Even with the skills I have I'd rather have a group , the worlds not ideal and nor are people I'd feel more settled In A group and for the 3 main incidents I prep for leaving a foot print etc and squabbling wouldn't be an issue and any group needs a leader , but democracy is important , I'm seeing a trend Im Prepping and I understand there's different levels of it from only been in here for 1 hour . I don't need solar hydro , water purifiers etc I live rural and would bug super rural where I can happily live self suf In a property with all resources to hand food fuel water long term .

Surely if things went bad you would want a variety of people to re settle with ?