Hello! new prepper and researcher!

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tigs
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Re: Hello! new prepper and researcher!

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Welcome to the forum ,
Think you might have just picked up your first lesson , as you may guess preppers don't have a good history with researchers or the media, we are often painted as gun crazed paranoid loonies , as were the opposite is often true, most of us don't own guns and only a couple of us are loony (won't mention any names :roll: ) we come from every walk of life smarmy, plumbers, computer it people, police officers, mechanics , house wives etcetera. The one thing we have in common is we prepare for every situation possible whether it's natural ,economic or man made, the most likely is economical collapse just look at Greece, hyper inflation pushing p prices up so we stock flood canned, dried ,dehydrated, more's also many of us stock seeds to grow later so £5000 seams low even those on a low budget will have spent more over the years!

Take into account the basics preppers needs food, water, shelter and fire( heat and light included) then there are things like transport and defence , most don't have .bunkers or even bug out locations most will bug in and fortify there homes many have already started by adding simple rain collection systems , solar panels ,sewerage digester systems etcetera along with that gardens are added along with animals

One of the most important things most of us will do is get to know our local area, were things are, were is a good place to fish/trap/hunt this knowledge is vital as is building a knowledge of the plants in that area what can be eaten and what can't be, what can be used as medicine etc

Any way hope some this helps
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Re: Hello! new prepper and researcher!

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tigs wrote:Welcome to the forum ,
Think you might have just picked up your first lesson , as you may guess preppers don't have a good history with researchers or the media, we are often painted as gun crazed paranoid loonies , as were the opposite is often true, most of us don't own guns and only a couple of us are loony (won't mention any names :roll: ) we come from every walk of life smarmy, plumbers, computer it people, police officers, mechanics , house wives etcetera. The one thing we have in common is we prepare for every situation possible whether it's natural ,economic or man made, the most likely is economical collapse just look at Greece, hyper inflation pushing p prices up so we stock flood canned, dried ,dehydrated, more's also many of us stock seeds to grow later so £5000 seams low even those on a low budget will have spent more over the years!

Take into account the basics preppers needs food, water, shelter and fire( heat and light included) then there are things like transport and defence , most don't have .bunkers or even bug out locations most will bug in and fortify there homes many have already started by adding simple rain collection systems , solar panels ,sewerage digester systems etcetera along with that gardens are added along with animals

One of the most important things most of us will do is get to know our local area, were things are, were is a good place to fish/trap/hunt this knowledge is vital as is building a knowledge of the plants in that area what can be eaten and what can't be, what can be used as medicine etc

Any way hope some this helps
Great answer Tigs, especially agree with the spend
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Re: Hello! new prepper and researcher!

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Well said Tigs :)

EndIsNigh - as Tigs has indicated, if your simulation takes place in a bunker, then by definition it isn't physically realistic to the people in this forum. If you want the *psychology* of it to be realistic, then there's still stuff you could learn on here. There's nothing wrong with it not being realistic to that extent - John Wyndham, John Christopher etc aren't starting from a totally realistic premise.

I just want to point out something from this thread, that *may* illustrate what we're on about when we talk of mistrusting media types, I'm not sure. When you didn't get the response you wanted to your original post, you seemed to drop into sarcasm on the second post. You had a few days there where you could have been interacting on the forum, but you didn't use it that way, actively researching. You chose to post only on your intro thread. That's a very, very small example of the kind of thing jansman (a moderator) is referring to when he says you seem to be only taking, not giving.

If you want to make your simulation as realistic as possible (and its great that you do!) why don't you experiment with fulfilling some of the topics - how *do* you purify water? Whats it like to rehydrate dehydrated food that you've made yourself?

And if its set in a bunker, how was it constructed? Is it an underground shipping container (a fantasy we often see)? Is it a kit some millionaire has imported secretly from the USA? Is it an ex-government facility? An disused rural pumping station? Just because the original premise isn't entirely present day accurate, doesn't mean your simulation shouldn't be internally consistent, in fact its all the more important that it *is* internally consistent.

I hadn't seen this thread till today, when I noticed a newbie describing themselves as a "researcher". I clicked on it then as I enjoy the research I do for my own blog (in my sig). I'd been a contributing member here for a couple of years before I started the blog, though, as you can see from the posting dates here and on the blog. I thought this was another prepper who liked finding stuff out. I hope you *do* research - one reality is that this is the weekend, and the week, before Easter - people have busy lives, gardens and allotments to tend, children to raise, jobs to go to (hopefully - economic collapse being what it is). We fit prepping into real lives in real communities.

HTH
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unsure wrote: Well, regardless of the responses you get, I hope you make a success of the venture, sounds like a fun hypothetical exercise. Good luck!
Thank you unsure, I hope it turns out well :)
tigs wrote: £5000 seams low even those on a low budget will have spent more over the years!

Take into account the basics preppers needs food, water, shelter and fire( heat and light included) then there are things like transport and defence , most don't have .bunkers or even bug out locations most will bug in and fortify there homes many have already started by adding simple rain collection systems , solar panels ,sewerage digester systems etcetera along with that gardens are added along with animals

One of the most important things most of us will do is get to know our local area, were things are, were is a good place to fish/trap/hunt this knowledge is vital as is building a knowledge of the plants in that area what can be eaten and what can't be, what can be used as medicine etc

Any way hope some this helps
It certainly does help tigs, you all seem to agree that £5000 is low, which I’m inclined to agree with, what would you all say is a reasonable amount? The simulation is set up so that the user can select whether or not they have a family (Maximum 10 people) however budgets will remain unchanged, if you choose to go it alone you still get the same budget as a 5 person family, do you think that’s right or should the budget vary? How much has family size impacted your budgets? or do you simply spend what you can regardless? Also, rain collection systems? that’s awesome, I had no idea but that does sound amazing to me.

Arzosah wrote:Well said Tigs :)

EndIsNigh - as Tigs has indicated, if your simulation takes place in a bunker, then by definition it isn't physically realistic to the people in this forum. If you want the *psychology* of it to be realistic, then there's still stuff you could learn on here. There's nothing wrong with it not being realistic to that extent - John Wyndham, John Christopher etc aren't starting from a totally realistic premise.

I just want to point out something from this thread, that *may* illustrate what we're on about when we talk of mistrusting media types, I'm not sure. When you didn't get the response you wanted to your original post, you seemed to drop into sarcasm on the second post. You had a few days there where you could have been interacting on the forum, but you didn't use it that way, actively researching. You chose to post only on your intro thread. That's a very, very small example of the kind of thing jansman (a moderator) is referring to when he says you seem to be only taking, not giving.

If you want to make your simulation as realistic as possible (and its great that you do!) why don't you experiment with fulfilling some of the topics - how *do* you purify water? What’s it like to rehydrate dehydrated food that you've made yourself?

And if its set in a bunker, how was it constructed? Is it an underground shipping container (a fantasy we often see)? Is it a kit some millionaire has imported secretly from the USA? Is it an ex-government facility? An disused rural pumping station? Just because the original premise isn't entirely present day accurate, doesn't mean your simulation shouldn't be internally consistent, in fact its all the more important that it *is* internally consistent.

I hadn't seen this thread till today, when I noticed a newbie describing themselves as a "researcher". I clicked on it then as I enjoy the research I do for my own blog (in my sig). I'd been a contributing member here for a couple of years before I started the blog, though, as you can see from the posting dates here and on the blog. I thought this was another prepper who liked finding stuff out. I hope you *do* research - one reality is that this is the weekend, and the week, before Easter - people have busy lives, gardens and allotments to tend, children to raise, jobs to go to (hopefully - economic collapse being what it is). We fit prepping into real lives in real communities.

HTH
Hey Arzosah,

The bunker was just an example, the simulation will take place in different settings with different challenges depending on the users opening decisions, for example, if the option they have selected is economic collapse then the simulation would take place in a normal home, with the first objective being to fortify your location.

If it is set in a bunker then construction wise I’m unsure (I'd left that decision for another time, as that would impact artwork decisions) however shipping container sounds good, however I imagine that it would offer little protection in terms of radiation/fallout (Not sure how many shipping containers are lead based?) What would you suggest? If you were to create a bunker, what would you choose?



I would also like to gauge all your opinions on Friends and neighbours, using economic collapse as a jumping off point, if you and your family were bugged in, and a friend or neighbour came seeking shelter, how inclined would you be to letting them in? Would you see any benefit to this (other then inclination to help out a friend in need)
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Re: Hello! new prepper and researcher!

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EndIsNigh wrote:
Arzosah wrote:I just want to point out something from this thread, that *may* illustrate what we're on about when we talk of mistrusting media types, I'm not sure. When you didn't get the response you wanted to your original post, you seemed to drop into sarcasm on the second post. You had a few days there where you could have been interacting on the forum, but you didn't use it that way, actively researching. You chose to post only on your intro thread. That's a very, very small example of the kind of thing jansman (a moderator) is referring to when he says you seem to be only taking, not giving.

If you want to make your simulation as realistic as possible (and its great that you do!) why don't you experiment with fulfilling some of the topics - how *do* you purify water? What’s it like to rehydrate dehydrated food that you've made yourself?
Hey Arzosah,

The bunker was just an example, the simulation will take place in different settings with different challenges depending on the users opening decisions, for example, if the option they have selected is economic collapse then the simulation would take place in a normal home, with the first objective being to fortify your location.

If it is set in a bunker then construction wise I’m unsure (I'd left that decision for another time, as that would impact artwork decisions) however shipping container sounds good, however I imagine that it would offer little protection in terms of radiation/fallout (Not sure how many shipping containers are lead based?) What would you suggest? If you were to create a bunker, what would you choose?

I would also like to gauge all your opinions on Friends and neighbours, using economic collapse as a jumping off point, if you and your family were bugged in, and a friend or neighbour came seeking shelter, how inclined would you be to letting them in? Would you see any benefit to this (other then inclination to help out a friend in need)
Erm, I don't think you saw the bit of my post that I've kept in the quotes here - about joining in and doing your own research, at the very least. The questions you're asking are all discussed here at various parts of the forum.

Good luck!

ETA - agree with Wulfshead below, hope it goes really well and you make shedloads :)
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Re: Hello! new prepper and researcher!

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EndisNigh,
Your question about 'friends' who turned up wanting shelter, and I'm assuming you also mean digging into my preps, made me think of a post on another preppers forum from State-Side.
You see I'm 53 and my whole immediate family are all preppers and survivalists to some degree or another. Incomes range from stupidly high London financial sector earnings to just enough to get by.
However all will head to my house as we are by far the most prepped albeit due to a windfall 2 years ago. I am not the city earner lol.
My mother-in-law will bring a few tins, my brother will bring a few shelves lol, however, they will come with something to add to my own preps which stands at about 4 months for 12 of us.
Now,as I said I'm 53 and at that age I have about 10 people I call friends. Of those 10 there are about 6 that have caught the prepping ethos from me and are able to withstand the woes that may befall us from a couple of weeks to a couple of months, they have skills that would extend their tins and water supplies.

So I have 4 'friends' that know what I do but think I'm mad, this is where the quote from the other forum comes in.
That survivalist said that when the un-prepped come to her door she will just give the standard answer she gave her kids to get them shocked into prepping,

quote; OK, which one of the people who I prep for will go hungry because you have spent your money on the latest must have gadgets and holidays. Which one shall I deprive them of their share just so you can eat ?"

I think that is about where I stand on the 'friends' side of things and that in itself is a good ethos.

I wish you the best of luck with your project. I hope it catches on and you make a fortune because a game may just wake a few more up and that's worth something

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Wulfshead wrote:EndisNigh,
Your question about 'friends' who turned up wanting shelter, and I'm assuming you also mean digging into my preps, made me think of a post on another preppers forum from State-Side.
You see I'm 53 and my whole immediate family are all preppers and survivalists to some degree or another. Incomes range from stupidly high London financial sector earnings to just enough to get by.
However all will head to my house as we are by far the most prepped albeit due to a windfall 2 years ago. I am not the city earner lol.
My mother-in-law will bring a few tins, my brother will bring a few shelves lol, however, they will come with something to add to my own preps which stands at about 4 months for 12 of us.
Now,as I said I'm 53 and at that age I have about 10 people I call friends. Of those 10 there are about 6 that have caught the prepping ethos from me and are able to withstand the woes that may befall us from a couple of weeks to a couple of months, they have skills that would extend their tins and water supplies.

So I have 4 'friends' that know what I do but think I'm mad, this is where the quote from the other forum comes in.
That survivalist said that when the un-prepped come to her door she will just give the standard answer she gave her kids to get them shocked into prepping,

quote; OK, which one of the people who I prep for will go hungry because you have spent your money on the latest must have gadgets and holidays. Which one shall I deprive them of their share just so you can eat ?"

I think that is about where I stand on the 'friends' side of things and that in itself is a good ethos.

I wish you the best of luck with your project. I hope it catches on and you make a fortune because a game may just wake a few more up and that's worth something

Welcome

Wulfshead
That is a fantastic view point Wulfshead, thank you so much for your well wishes also Wulfshead and Arzosah :)

Right I shall leave this thread here as Im sure the new members section is not the place for such a conversation and I dont want a scolding from the mods :oops:

Thank you to everyone.
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Re: Hello! new prepper and researcher!

Post by Briggs 2.0 »

10 Cloverfield Lane (film) and The Division (Game) may be worth checking out for a bit of research.
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Briggs 2.0 wrote:10 Cloverfield Lane (film) and The Division (Game) may be worth checking out for a bit of research.
Done and Done Briggs,

It was after seeing Cloverfield Lane that I started working on the "Mental State" aspect of my preppers/Survivors, it gets too low and things get a little crazy...
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As for spending that depends on different factors are you alone ,a family in a group and were you are city town village farm etcetera! . I would look at at least doubling the £5000 that should cover 12 months supplies food meds basic kit and water bug out vehicle would be extra as would home security and power generation.

Why not think of starting the game before the disaster , civil unrest has started you have to secure and defend your home and gather extra supplies to add to basic preps and equipment , a bunker could be used on another level as could bugging out .
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