Hi
This idea can be done - but it is a right old pain to get planning. Check out the info on this site.....
http://www.lammas.org.uk/
Basically that, but for with an additional prepping angle!
Cheers
Matt
a preppers retreat
Re: a preppers retreat
I've got them bookmarked too, should have thought of them!
Moving to the bigger picture for a moment - this is the sort of thing we need to be building. With the houses in Lammas but also the sort that this guy produces - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... rMJwIedrWU#! all of his houses are self contained in terms of power, water and sewage. The current rate and types of build simply aren't sustainable. People can't afford to run em for starters!
Moving to the bigger picture for a moment - this is the sort of thing we need to be building. With the houses in Lammas but also the sort that this guy produces - https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... rMJwIedrWU#! all of his houses are self contained in terms of power, water and sewage. The current rate and types of build simply aren't sustainable. People can't afford to run em for starters!
Re: a preppers retreat
Sounds *way* too much like a commune for my liking. Can't think of anything worse! 
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KalPrep
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Sounds great, however the social aspect is the key thing.
Every documentary and tv show I have seen ends the same way, someone gets the hump and it gets nasty. Apologies if this gets to anyone however I saw for many days this problem.
During the 'occupy' campaign I got to see one of the city ones set up and make their stand. I am not having a dig at their concept or stance. I was amused that they set up a democratic voting mechanism about their camp. This all sounds nice, democracy is good isn't it? Yeah, until one persons view isn't viewed equally to the next person. Within a couple of weeks (something like 3 'meetings') the group collapsed as factions appeared and wanted their way to be followed.
Nature shows that hierarchical structures work. One boss, lots of subsidiaries in the group. We as intellectual, evolved species which likes social interaction and individually may push back on an authoritative model. Democracy does not work.
I don't say this to incite a war on here, I say it as it relates to the operation of these types of communities. I love the idea, it sounds good, it would be a good long term aim to move towards, however I am very cautious of this aspect.
Every documentary and tv show I have seen ends the same way, someone gets the hump and it gets nasty. Apologies if this gets to anyone however I saw for many days this problem.
During the 'occupy' campaign I got to see one of the city ones set up and make their stand. I am not having a dig at their concept or stance. I was amused that they set up a democratic voting mechanism about their camp. This all sounds nice, democracy is good isn't it? Yeah, until one persons view isn't viewed equally to the next person. Within a couple of weeks (something like 3 'meetings') the group collapsed as factions appeared and wanted their way to be followed.
Nature shows that hierarchical structures work. One boss, lots of subsidiaries in the group. We as intellectual, evolved species which likes social interaction and individually may push back on an authoritative model. Democracy does not work.
I don't say this to incite a war on here, I say it as it relates to the operation of these types of communities. I love the idea, it sounds good, it would be a good long term aim to move towards, however I am very cautious of this aspect.
Re: a preppers retreat
itsybitsy wrote:Sounds *way* too much like a commune for my liking. Can't think of anything worse!
Gives me the screaming heeby jeebies too. But a community, now that's another thing entirely, and I like communities, things get done.
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The-Great-Nothing
a preppers retreat
Hi
All good points. Personally an ideal for me would be 100 acres split into 10 lots. Each lot is for sale and sold to a prepper. There is no common land or buildings, and no demands to help each other, but everyone will win in terms if costs & the likelyhood people will skill share, barter & help each other out.
Should the SHTF (or even normal day to day) you can be happy to know you are in a prep based community & come together as much a you feel necessary - same as people do today.
Longer term, if people wanted to move away & sell their plot - how that is dealt with to ensure the right kind of people move in - is tricky. Maybe the wording of adverts for the properties & where they can be advertised is part of the initial agreement you sign up to & it steers ownership to prepers, rather than holiday home owners..... Dunno
Cheers
Matt
All good points. Personally an ideal for me would be 100 acres split into 10 lots. Each lot is for sale and sold to a prepper. There is no common land or buildings, and no demands to help each other, but everyone will win in terms if costs & the likelyhood people will skill share, barter & help each other out.
Should the SHTF (or even normal day to day) you can be happy to know you are in a prep based community & come together as much a you feel necessary - same as people do today.
Longer term, if people wanted to move away & sell their plot - how that is dealt with to ensure the right kind of people move in - is tricky. Maybe the wording of adverts for the properties & where they can be advertised is part of the initial agreement you sign up to & it steers ownership to prepers, rather than holiday home owners..... Dunno
Cheers
Matt
Re: a preppers retreat
Selling is easy you don't sell the free hold. They do this on park homes the manager has the finel say if he dosn't like the people you are selling to you don't sell the park home HE and only HE can give you permisson to sell to that person. I know cause a couple of friends in diffrant parts of the country are having trouble selling there places because of this clauseThe-Great-Nothing wrote:Hi
All good points. Personally an ideal for me would be 100 acres split into 10 lots. Each lot is for sale and sold to a prepper. There is no common land or buildings, and no demands to help each other, but everyone will win in terms if costs & the likelyhood people will skill share, barter & help each other out.
Should the SHTF (or even normal day to day) you can be happy to know you are in a prep based community & come together as much a you feel necessary - same as people do today.
Longer term, if people wanted to move away & sell their plot - how that is dealt with to ensure the right kind of people move in - is tricky. Maybe the wording of adverts for the properties & where they can be advertised is part of the initial agreement you sign up to & it steers ownership to prepers, rather than holiday home owners..... Dunno
Cheers
Matt
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Re: a preppers retreat
The-Great-Nothing wrote:Hi
This idea can be done - but it is a right old pain to get planning. Check out the info on this site.....
http://www.lammas.org.uk/
Basically that, but for with an additional prepping angle!
Cheers
Matt
Coming back to this for a mo. Prepping is (sorry) the wrong word to use. Sustainable, carbon neutral, environmentally friendly, green etc are the ones that should be littered through any planning application. The buggers throw them at US every five minutes; don't see why we shouldn't use them too.
Essentially, what you're building is a sustainable, self sustaining community. Not a commune; stay away from that one too!
Weasel words. It's all about weasel words.
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mogs
Re: a preppers retreat
Everyone makes valid points and I know that as with anything there is a risk! like i said earlier this was just a passing thought withought a great of detail but I guess it would be good to have a contract drawn up for whomever takes responsibility for the funds saved, think there are some type of accounts that can be held by several people so a group nomination on who is best suited to the post or the expensive option of a professional taking care of finances?
I like the idea of a large plot divided up into seperate plots for the survival comunity!? with a central location on the plot used as communal area?
If it was a perfect world and we could guaretee everyone would work together in perfect harmony thatd be fab but we all know that that is never going to happen regardless of the situaton, there will always be people who dont get along, its just whether they can discuss things rationally and get over it!
I like the idea of a large plot divided up into seperate plots for the survival comunity!? with a central location on the plot used as communal area?
If it was a perfect world and we could guaretee everyone would work together in perfect harmony thatd be fab but we all know that that is never going to happen regardless of the situaton, there will always be people who dont get along, its just whether they can discuss things rationally and get over it!
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gandelff99
Re: a preppers retreat
I know a bushc rafter, very well paid in his day job,but loved his bushcraftn that much he has bought 3 plots of woodland to practice all aspects of his training.
He has built log cabins in them,(large wood hut with a door) .he doesn't get meithered by any tress passers other than the odd rambler.and because the cabins are made using logs and don't have power or running water he doesn't get bothered by any building regs.
The only consideration he has given to 1 of the sites is a portaloo at one of them where he takes his family
Whilst on the subject there is a group/society that give mortgages for the purchase of land plots used for conservation and communal natural things.will try and find the link and post it
He has built log cabins in them,(large wood hut with a door) .he doesn't get meithered by any tress passers other than the odd rambler.and because the cabins are made using logs and don't have power or running water he doesn't get bothered by any building regs.
The only consideration he has given to 1 of the sites is a portaloo at one of them where he takes his family
Whilst on the subject there is a group/society that give mortgages for the purchase of land plots used for conservation and communal natural things.will try and find the link and post it