Household items that double as defence

[poppypiesdad]

Sorry m8 think you are , we live in a blame culture where a burglar cuts his arm on the window he broke can sue the owner of the home successfully . That's the kind of society we live in. The thief has ,ore rights than the victim . Fact

Yes its crap but that's the bottom line, in shtf all bets are off pass the zombie crowbar

J

[Plymtom]

surely the idea of this thread was to use items which are every day items in the home. You cant get in trouble for using things which are to hand surely. As preppers we may have a few additional items i.e. for bushcraft knives, machettes,axes etc

Surely if someone breaks in and we use any item on them in defence, provided it is not extreme we are not doing anything wrong, or am I being too niave?

If someone breaks in it is just that, self defence is when someone is coming after you, not your stereo/possessions, even in the states you cannot just shoot or attack people over mere property, but you can use reasonable and proportionate force in defence of yourself or your family, if Southern Hunter for instance was holed up with his family, armed and warning invaders that if they persist in coming at the family he can and will use his weapons against them, at that point if they do not go away you are defending yourself, but you may well still be in trouble if you over do it.

[southernhunter]

I was a doorman for over a decade and on my very first shift a kindly copper took me to one side and said this..

"If you ever hit anyone, hit them as hard as you can and only do it once. If ever you're questioned for hitting someone say this.. "he told me he had a knife and was going to stab me. I believed him.""

10 years on the doors and I never hit anyone. Locked and restrained hundreds but never hit anyone. Never forgot that line though. Apparently the difference is BELIEVING you're in danger not waiting until it's too late.

[Plymtom]

10 years on the doors and I never hit anyone. Locked and restrained hundreds but never hit anyone. Never forgot that line though. Apparently the difference is BELIEVING you're in danger not waiting until it's too late.

Now that is perspective

[Manclife]

Why do people on this site still think you can't have weapons in your own home without a spurious excuse like having a glove and ball with a bat?! I'll say it again.....you can have ANY weapon (bar firearms etc) you want in you house and quite openly say it's for protection and there's nothing the police can do about it. Outside your home and you do need a lawful excuse.

Back on topic De-icer in a can

[poppypiesdad]

Sorry chap its not spurious , go get a baseball bat and walk down your high St with it and see what happens , add a glove and a ball, and well its baseball , take that back indoors , your trusty bat stands in the hall , the cops are doing door to door you open it they see bat , now that's an offensive weapon with pre meditated assault , but there's a glove and ball in the hall too , well your just messy and haven't put your sports equipment away .

The reason you cant have offensive weapons in your home is exactly that , you can't , however your sports equipment, cricket bat , croquet mallet , or javelins. Perfectly defendable equipment for your home , in a court of law . Your large maglite well its a torch perfectly reasonable incase the power goes off however heavy or long it is . Keep it legal on the forums , as they may be used against you as it is a public forum .


Wee bit from the cps the people that prosecute you

http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/latest_news/ ... index.html

Look at the homeowners that have been prosecuted as well as the ones got no action taken


J

[Plymtom]

Why do people on this site still think you can't have weapons in your own home without a spurious excuse like having a glove and ball with a bat?! I'll say it again.....you can have ANY weapon (bar firearms etc) you want in you house and quite openly say it's for protection and there's nothing the police can do about it. Outside your home and you do need a lawful excuse.

Back on topic De-icer in a can

Like Poppypiesdad says and I agree but more than that,I think it's more we feel a duty to discourage everyone getting all "Defcon 4" than we think we can't, even a martial arts trained person understands that their skill can get them into trouble should they miss use it, we have all pretty much seen DD preppers and the UK versions, the latter has at least one character who collected as many "weapons" as he could, and you tube is full of them, their chances of getting a section2 license are slim and a section 1 unthinkable and that is sad, I for one would rather see people joining clubs, having fun learning everything from Judo through to .50cal club as a legitimate social activity, than surrounding and isolating themselves in a house full sharp pointy things and pellet guns - 1 person so armed would have little chance against a couple of people wearing thick clothing and a motor cycle helmet, defence if TSHTF is a different ball game with many more grey areas, one thing you can be sure of is that the desperate un prepared people will soon work out that their chances improve no end if they team up and they would, whereas all too many of us go directly to the "Alamo" strategy, circling you wagons and fighting for your life when no re enforcements are coming will only give the satisfaction of knowing you may take some attackers with you.

Every advantage you can gain in a self defence scenario with every day objects or weapons designed as such is worth knowing, being prepared is only step one, being part of a community is step two and the way through or back to some sort of society, but if you can be a part of a community now, which would pull together in a crisis as many do looking at the recent flooding and all, then it's not so much sharing you preps as amplifying the effectiveness, survival is a numbers game, but in the long run it will come down to how many friends you have because generally you can only work one weapon at once

[Yorkshire Andy]

my anti door to door salesman device is working better than expected








Why go to the sharp pointy things straight away... A hand full of powdered laundry soap thrown in an intruders face will make them think twice.. so would something like Pepper or curry powder....


as for a 6d maglite they are probably too big and heavy to "carry" and "move about" in a confined space such as a hall way






http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -home.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/455722 ... 20-minutes

[Arzosah]

my anti door to door salesman device is working better than expected

Thats really good. And I have brickwork envy, it looks gorgeous.

Why go to the sharp pointy things straight away... A hand full of powdered laundry soap thrown in an intruders face will make them think twice.. so would something like Pepper or curry powder....

Like I said, wasp killer ... I get invasions every so often (of wasps! not the human kind) and I use it for its stated purpose. Even on the top floor, away from the front door.

[J23]

to be honest - the best weapon are fists. you need to know how to use them. training of martial sports (not martial arts) like boxing, kick boxing, thai boxing, MMA gives good understanding of self defence, good understanding of striking. imo without it chances to defend with any items are much lower.
besides even if shtf situation will happen lots of people will be afraid to use bats, tonfas and so on to defend themself as they'll be afraid of eventual law consequences after law and order will be restored